I think with the full 3x open in ep shows strength or just an inexperienced player not wanting to see a flop with a medium strength hand.  When you 3 bet and the villain elects to call it minimizes his range in the fact I think AA or KK 4 bets pre.  I would put him on a middle pair up to JJ, and they want to see a flop prior to proceeding.  I think AK, and even AQ  4 bet jams.  On such a dry flop I c bet a little under 1/2 pot like 2655 and you will get all the information you need.  If they c/c you can evaluate turn and check behind with position and reevaluate the river.  I think in most times a c bet takes the pot down.  If you meet resistance and have to get away from the hand you still leave yourself a good 3 bet jamming stack to double up with.  I think though with the way played you have to put a C bet on that flop because many times you are ahead and they will simply check fold.  Best of luck.

I really struggle with this sort of situation too (note to management: a video or podcast discussion on 3 betting and particularly how to play post-flop in 3 bet pots would be appreciated).

I think where you stand post-flop is very much read dependant. If V is solid, you are up against AA or KK. (AK is getting it in pf and calling oop with pairs lower than QQ is too bad), so you should be able to get away from the pot without putting any more in.

If V is bad you could still be ahead. Either way, I dont think I'm c-betting here, because you'll only be folding out worse and will be committed if you do. 

Bet sizing wise, I prefer a smaller, even min 3 bet to make it easier to get give you more room to manoeuvre post flop and also make it easier to get away from the hand.

Cbetting a lot of the time here. Previous history/read
on player is important here too. In a $20 tournie
im rarely giving this guy credit for AK,aces,or kings.

Him calling your 3bet oop is absolutely horrible unless
he is trapping. Your cbet commits you to the pot.
if he check raises all in you got unlucky.

Before you make the cbet, have a plan of what you’re going to
do if raised.

Side note: I am sometimes checking behind on the flop for value.
If your opponent is aggressive he will fire the turn with a lot of hands in his range that you beat. Ie: 66-JJ
You have the Qd in your hand which takes AQ
diamonds out of his range and 1 less diamond out
Of the deck. You are really only scared of an A on the turn.
And if he has 1 there are only 3 left.

I hate cbetting “100%” of the time here because you
make worse hands fold.

Just my two cents

—hunsucker

The prob I have with cbetting is if we get shoved on then not sure if its a fd or a K – id hate to fold to fd. I don’t have my PT stays as at work, but as already said we don’t put many kings in his range.

I do feel with these stack sizes the 3bet should be smaller which makes it easier to get away from, but I still find it tough to get away from due to possible ds that shoves…

sammyboy said:

The prob I have with cbetting is if we get shoved on then not sure if its a fd or a K – id hate to fold to fd. I don't have my PT stays as at work, but as already said we don't put many kings in his range.

I do feel with these stack sizes the 3bet should be smaller which makes it easier to get away from, but I still find it tough to get away from due to possible ds that shoves…

I would spend less time worrying how “to get away” from hands as strong as QQ and more concerned with how to get maximum value out of it.  Maybe you're 3 bet was slightly too big preflop, but you're not worried about most of the hands in his range, especially after he just flats your 3bet. 

I would not start making my 3bets smaller so I could “get away” on flops.  I'm rarely trying to get away from big pairs unless I have a serious read, a lot of previous history, and the preflop action has seriously dictated that I may be beat.

If you both had 40-75 BBs and this guy was 4 or 5 bet jamming all his money in from UTG, then getting away from QQ is fairly easy.

When the effective stack is 30 bbs, I would have a seriously hard time giving him credit in this spot for a king in his range.  I'm assuming you lost this hand, and that's why it has been posted.  As played preflop, I think you got what you wanted.  A worse hand to put in 26% ( 9138/2400=26%)of his stack AND be out of position the remainder of the hand.

seems like good value to me.

—-HUNSUCKER