I think your iso is good 'cause it does exactly whaty you want. more would be useless imo.

bet flop and if you get raised, shove. He'll bet/call worse draws there. The check check line makes you more card dependant because people won't believe your bluffs and the pot isn't big enough to effectively bluff.

raise turn to get money in the pot, but flatting is fine. You may want to mix in some overbets when the river gets checked to you to compensate.

Jam river every single time, nh.

Btn and SB have shove stacks, so they'll either shove or fold.

Only reason I see to make it bigger is to weed out the bb.

How much would you make it?

So basically you was going to check/fold the turn if you whiffed the draw or check/call if he bets the turn and it comes 8 clubs instead of the diamonds and chase the flush??

I mean if you try to isolate someone you need to bet the flop like 99% of the time afterwards or it just leads to most thinking players won't bet 7k on the river and call a shove with the diamonds out and the board being pretty juicy.

The only hands he should be calling a river shove with is TJ and maybe a lower diamond draw which is just a cooler both ways, otherwise he should fold the river.

If you bet the flop and he folds which will happen 80% of the time since most villians are pretty passive and there limping range is just all sorts of hands K4s, Q9, JT, 23, 54, any pair then you pickup a nice 10% increase to your stack right then and there instead of praying that a diamond hits. I just don't understand the play of isolating only to whiff and check fold. What was the play when the flop comes 378 as it does so often and he checks the flop to you??

This is #1 reason to bet the flop…. “except he seems to be involved in a larger than tight number of pots”

Pre: I prefer an overlimp here in position pre. I want the bb in the pot w 43K and us having A2s in pos.  I dnt mind the sb coming in either. Also, I doubt our iso is getting many folds.

Flop: Like the ck back on flop, I think the flop hits our villains range pretty good and I don't see a need to get it in yet given your stack size.

Turn: LOVE the call, that 1k looks really weak.  If he was strong he would bet more because of all the draws.  I think a raise would just push out a ton of hands we want in.

River: Obv shove. 

NH overall, just dn't think the pf iso w necessary/optimal

The rebuy period has to be over since the blinds are 500/1k

Think limping behind is a leak tbh savant. He only has 27 bb so your implied odds are crappy, I prefer a fold to limping here bit too passive.

The point of ISO raising him is to isolate the passive fish limper who will call/fold to cbet when he misses (2/3 of the time). Which will show a profit in itself with any 2 cards almost.

The point of c betting is that you have no showdown equity at the moment but your bet will get him to fold the A9, 66 type hands, which is +Ev since he folds out all his equity with those hands. If he jams then gg, he only has 27bb to begin and given the odds your probably priced in against his range at that point.

think it’s a matter of style but I prefer being aggressive

Great post savant, I understand your reasoning. Hope you don’t think I’m attacking it by continuing the discussion. You get so many flamers online these days it’s refreshing to have a reasoned debate

The reasons I don’t limp here is as follows –

With this stack I like to put pressure on my opponent in position. Cultivating an aggressive loose image that allows me to get paid off more when the villain decides I can’t have a hand every time and spews off their stack. This allows me to build a monster stack from these situations, athough I accept the price i pay is increased chip variance but I think it’s worth it since

1) I am very comfortable playing shorter stacked against this field

2) I’m not going bust in this hand.

Apart from metagame reasons, the other reason i raise here p/f is that the flop has to come perfect in order that I get paid off by the big stack in the blinds. In a limped pot there’s not may situations where they hit a big enough piece to stack off when I hit a monster with A2, unless it’s a cooler situation. In a limped pot 4 ways I’m rarely putting in another chip post flop unless I smack the flop. so I’m not attempting to steal on the flop since at these stakes nobody folds any piece to just one bet and they LOVE to slowplay big hands. I’m much happier taking a stab/isolating in position preflop.

I would limp here however if there were multi limpers all with reasonable stacks, usually early in the tourney. Since the chances I get paid when I smack the flop are so much higher

Goliath: Thanks for the post. I learn more from hands where there is disagreement 

Coolers: I usually already have a laggy image by this point in the tourney and op probably does too.  The limper is never folding, we will still be in position on the flop, and our hand will play reasonably well vs the blinds (the small blind might fold too possibly)

Also while obv Diamonds always get there , we can't count on them hitting pre.  We can still play aggressively and profitably on many flops without diamonds but with less risk to our stack.  Also, if we all suspect the under the gun limper is fishy, I'm not sure why we think he is just folding to our open/cbet but calling to our limp/stab.

with our specific hand and villain's stack size i prefer a limp behind to an iso-raise. we don't have great high-card strength with the 2 in our hand, plus his stack size doesn't leave us a ton of room postflop and lastly our hand plays extremely well multi-way.

if you do isolate, i like the PF sizing because of villain's stack. i don't think you get more folds by going 4x so your size accomplishes the same thing while giving us a little more room postflop.

bet the flop. it's a great flop for you. i'd bet small so that we can jam if he c/r.

as played, i want to raise the turn but his 1k lead is so weak that i think he just folds too much. calling seems fine.