July 17, 2014
Was hoping for some feed back about this hand,
SB: t21044 1 BBs – VPIP: 43, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 2.2, Hands: 150
Hero (BB): t29398 1 BBs – VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 25563
BTN: t77558 1 BBs – VPIP: 30, PFR: 21, 3B: 11, AF: 2.5, Hands: 91
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with A of clubs 6 of hearts
BTN raises to t3600, SB folds
BB=1,200
So chip leader with 77k opens 3x from button. SB has 20k and I have 28k in BB with A6o
I’m never folding here and button has been aggressive and 3xing often.
I have picked up my aggression quite a bit before this had winning the last 3 pots.
I guess my question is 3bet, 3bet get it in, 3bet fold, 3bet jam or flat???
September 14, 2014
July 17, 2014
Thank you for the feed back. I think maybe I should elaborate on my thought process some going into this hand and maybe I can add a few more details.
We are 3 handed at FT down from 85 players
In the big blind with A6o ante is 120 and bib blind is 1200
I am playing on the revolution network and it is early in the am at this point.
Prior to this hand I have looked up most players at the FT and the two remaining in my assumption are not very good.
The better of two is the short stack and I have position on him. the chip leader on the button is mostly ust 3xing every time in pos while we were 4 and 5 handed. once we get 3 handed I shift gears quite a bit and ramp up my aggresion quite a bit and go from short stack to 2nd in chips over the last few hands.
sb(20k)
bb(hero 28k)
bu(77k)
I guess maybe saying I'm never folding could be wrong but honestly in this situation I doubt I'm doing so often at all.
Pay jump between 3rd and 2nd is small and I'm really just going for the win here. I dont see folding an ace preflop to the auto 3x from the chipleader on the button and it seems to me at this point I might rather be playing back at his much wider range than the tighter short stack who might be playing a little better over all and possibly much more correctly. Yes I can fold A6o to a button raise while 2nd in chips vs the chip leader who has position but I'm not sure I even thought about it in this situation and maybe this was a mistake.
With all that said I hate flatting and I hate folding even more.
So 3bet fold, 3bet get it in ,or just jamming I guess.
I really like the 3bet fold maybe at this point but I know the result and maybe my opinion is a little skewed because of this.
Thanks again for you input.
July 17, 2014
Foucault said:
If you think it's pretty close between calling or folding, and you have an Ace in your hand, 3bet-folding is usually a good idea. What would your 3bet-fold range look like if not hands like this?
Thank you for your response. To answer your question I think if not containing any weak Ax hands maybe a 3bet fold range made mostly of suited connectors, pure bluffs and some of the weaker broadway hands. But I cant say I am currently 3bet folding or generally 3betting any weaker broadway hands. I really like this question and maybe I should be asking this myself more often. I posted this hand because I believe I made a mistake so I guess its easy to say that I dont think I had the correct thought process at the time.
What is your opinion about this 3bet fold range with or without this hand(s) included?
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December 6, 2012
jedimindpicks said:
Foucault said:
If you think it's pretty close between calling or folding, and you have an Ace in your hand, 3bet-folding is usually a good idea. What would your 3bet-fold range look like if not hands like this?
Thank you for your response. To answer your question I think if not containing any weak Ax hands maybe a 3bet fold range made mostly of suited connectors, pure bluffs and some of the weaker broadway hands. But I cant say I am currently 3bet folding or generally 3betting any weaker broadway hands. I really like this question and maybe I should be asking this myself more often. I posted this hand because I believe I made a mistake so I guess its easy to say that I dont think I had the correct thought process at the time.
What is your opinion about this 3bet fold range with or without this hand(s) included?
I think suited connectors and weak broadways all play pretty well as calls. The thing they have that A6 doesn't is the ability to connect at least reasonably well with a large number of flops. That means you'd like to see the flop if you're going to play them, and when you 3bet-fold you very rarely see a flop. If you called with Ax offsuit then you'd have to use complete junk for 3bet-folding, but if you're going to fold the Ax anyway then you might as well 3bet with that instead of something like 84o.
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