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Full Tilt Poker Game #23704675155: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (183298512), Table 2 – 2000/4000 Ante 500 – No Limit Hold'em – 17:21:40 ET – 2010/09/07
Seat 2: 420RAIDER (33,236)
Seat 6: bastard609 (90,358)
Seat 7: justclickit (100,359)
Seat 8: bumbastik37 (46,047)
420RAIDER antes 500
bastard609 antes 500
justclickit antes 500
bumbastik37 antes 500
420RAIDER posts the small blind of 2,000
bastard609 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to justclickit [Ad Qd]
justclickit raises to 8,150
bumbastik37 folds
420RAIDER folds
bastard609 calls 4,150
*** FLOP *** [Jh Ks 7c]
bastard609 has 15 seconds left to act
bastard609 bets 12,000
justclickit has 15 seconds left to act
justclickit has requested TIME
justclickit calls 12,000
*** TURN *** [Jh Ks 7c] [Ah]
bastard609 bets 16,000
justclickit calls 16,000
*** RIVER *** [Jh Ks 7c Ah] [Kd]
bastard609 bets 53,708, and is all in
justclickit calls 53,708
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bastard609 shows [8s 7h] two pair, Kings and Sevens
justclickit shows [Ad Qd] two pair, Aces and Kings
justclickit wins the pot (183,716) with two pair, Aces and Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 183,716 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh Ks 7c Ah Kd]
Seat 2: 420RAIDER (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: bastard609 (big blind) showed [8s 7h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 7: justclickit showed [Ad Qd] and won (183,716) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: bumbastik37 (button) folded before the Flop
His stats 36/22 and AF 7.0 not a huge sample about 65 hands. what you think about the hand ?
July 3, 2010
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I think the flat on the flop is horrible. What do you do if you don't hit the turn?
FkCoolers said:
I think the flat on the flop is horrible. What do you do if you don't hit the turn?
Why do you say its horrible ? I call the bet to see what he will do on the turn . So every time someone is donk betting to us is horrible to flat and see what he will do the turn if we have position vs him ? where do u find the horrible side of the call can please let me know ?
July 3, 2010
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I think flatting “for information” is terrible considering his stats indicate he's probably barreling any turn card.
July 3, 2010
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To expand – the in position float like this isn't bad at all in cash games when you're playing real stacks but here you start the hand with 25 bb's against a pretty aggressive opponent.
To me it just doesn't make much sense to flat the donk lead for information. So many times we get led into by hands like bottom/middle pair and draw type hands so I don't flat donk leads unless I have a strong made hand.
His stats, even over a smallish sample, definitely lean away from telling us he'll check the Turn and give up the pot to us which is why I said flatting was so bad here.
If you had AK I'd be fine flatting and letting him spew chips like a slot machine and bet our hand for us.
Here I just raise and take it away from him since we pretty much need to fold every time we flat the flop and a blank rolls off because he's barreling and committing himself to calling.
FkCoolers said:
To expand – the in position float like this isn't bad at all in cash games when you're playing real stacks but here you start the hand with 25 bb's against a pretty aggressive opponent.
To me it just doesn't make much sense to flat the donk lead for information. So many times we get led into by hands like bottom/middle pair and draw type hands so I don't flat donk leads unless I have a strong made hand.
His stats, even over a smallish sample, definitely lean away from telling us he'll check the Turn and give up the pot to us which is why I said flatting was so bad here.
If you had AK I'd be fine flatting and letting him spew chips like a slot machine and bet our hand for us.
Here I just raise and take it away from him since we pretty much need to fold every time we flat the flop and a blank rolls off because he's barreling and committing himself to calling.
ok thanks !
Imo I think with your stack size, floating is not an option at all. It seems hes on the aggro side and may or may not be a bad player, but his donk bet totally took away your positional advantage after you didn't connect.
And alot of even spewy aggro players have alot more experience playing post flop than solid tags since they play so many hands. Even if they are bad, you still have to be careful, esp w 22 or so bbs.
These kind of guys are gonna defend their butt after a minraise type bet with a wide range. But he might defend with the same range to a 3x. With guys like this on the butt and considering your stack sizes maybe an open shove is the best option – their is just about 1/3 of your stack in the middle already.
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