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June 9, 2014
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Hi,
One of my leaks is that I don't bluff enough. I've been watching Andrew Brokos's videos on bluffing and would like a view on this hand. If you are familiar with his bluffing scale, where does it fit and how often should I bluff?
This was from a live tournament. $20 rebuy tournament at local Casino. Usually everyone does a double rebuy for $30 so most people are in for $50, then take a $30 addon after rebuy period ends.
Most people start with 6,000 chips (2,000 starting stack, and 4,000 from initial double rebuy)
Fairly early in tournament 2nd level, blinds 50/100. Villain and Hero both have stacks around 70BB
Villain open-raises from EP for 250. MP calls. Hero calls in CO with A
J. BB calls.
Flop QJ 
9
Checked around to Hero who bets 700 into 1050 with 2nd pair and FD. Villain calls. others fold
Turn 9
Villain checks to Hero who bets 1500 into 2450. Villain calls.
River 4
Villain checks for 3rd time.
Pot 5450.
About PSB left in both stacks.
Villain has a history of check-calling monsters.
2nd pair has some showdown value. But I'm thinking it is unlikely to be best.
My image is tight. Haven't been caught bluffing by this villain.
I'm thinking that another bet for 60-70% pot will be called and, if called are likely to be behind. Option is to jam, representing FH or trips, or check.
Given I didn't re-raise pre-flop, Villain is unlikely to give me credit for AK or AQ.
My gut tells me that I should be turning my 2nd pair into a bluff and jamming. What I am unclear on is where this would sit on the bluffing scale?
October 21, 2013
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Could you tell me why you bet on flop and turn ? I mean what's your goal, what hands are you targeting etcetc ?
And i dont want to sound like a **** but i think you might want ot watch Andrew's Value betting series instead of the Bluffing one.
Because to me you played the hand well, I would play the hand the same way, but to be honest i dont see a lot of reasons to bluff here because i'm betting flop and turn FOR VALUE ( i'm targeting TT JT KJ and all the flush draws) and i'm def super happy to check my hand back on the river. Sure sometimes he is gonna have QT or T9, but i think we ll win most of the times.
Also this is, i think, one of the worst board to overbet shove as a bluff, all the draws missed and to be honest your shove wouldnt rapresent much: your range is more capped than villain's since you cant have many strong hands ( you would 3bet QQ JJ pre, i doubt you would flat J9 nor Q9 vs an ep raise, ad def you dont play 44 this way so i dont see many fh in your range) but he on the other hand he might slowplay QQ /JJ/ 99 , which is def a mistake given this board, but people tend to make the mistake to slowplay on scary boards.
So yeah i would check back river. =)
June 9, 2014
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Could you tell me why you bet on flop and turn ? I mean what's your goal, what hands are you targeting etcetc ?
And i dont want to sound like a **** but i think you might want ot watch Andrew's Value betting series instead of the Bluffing one.
Thanks for the reply. I've watched Andrew's hand reading (2x), value targeting (X1) and bluffing series (X2). But once over lightly for the value targeting. I wasn't thinking too much about value targeting in an objective sense in the moments the hand was playing out.. I was trying to understand what range he would have to check-call me twice. For the flop and turn I would like to be able to say I was looking for either a fold or call from weaker hands such as smaller pocket pairs or smaller suited connnectors chasing the same flush draw. (both of which have been in this guy's range before). Plus, if I hit my flush draw, to build a pot for a shove if I hit. Value targetting in the moment is another skill I need to put work into. I'll come back and re-read this post when I go over Andrew's videos again. However, for this particular hand I was wondering where it would sit on the bluffing scale. Sounds like a 1 or 0 is your view. There are other hands in his range like AQ, AJ, 10-9, all of which were reasonable to me in the moment. For me, getting better at understanding where scenarios fit on the bluffing scale is a skill I really need to develop as I bluff live far too infrequently.
May 20, 2013
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Riar nailed this one. You want to check back not turn your hand into a bluff. I would not be surprised to see TT or TJ.
But if he has a Queen hand like KQ, he is probably calling you as played.
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December 6, 2012
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I'd call it a 2. Getting him to fold a J or TT seems possible. Of course that makes your hand a terrible one to use as a bluff. If you had 8d7d, then sure, bet the river.
I'd also check the turn.
October 21, 2013
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Foucault said:
I'd call it a 2. Getting him to fold a J or TT seems possible. Of course that makes your hand a terrible one to use as a bluff. If you had 8d7d, then sure, bet the river.
I'd also check the turn.
I assume you dont bet turn cause you dont want to get check shoved on Andrew right ?
(Without the flush draws this becomes more a bet fold spot correct ?)
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December 6, 2012
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I was thinking there aren't a lot of scenarios where Hero gets three streets, in which case you'd be better off going for river rather than turn. Against a lot of players who will just have Jx/TT a lot and rarely be check-calling a Q or better, you can probably three-barrel a blank for value. Plus there are the cases where you river the flush. In this case, though, we know that Villain has a history of check-calling monsters, so there's a greater risk that he's slowplying or (my bigger concern) being kind of defensive with KK/AA/AQ. With some of those hands in his range, I'd rather check turn.
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August 25, 2012
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I like the bet-check-bet line here. I think your sizing is a little big, particularly on the turn. I think your doubt about the strength of your hand on the river – a doubt so strong that you're willing to consider turning it into a bluff – is resultant from the fact that your bigger betsizing gives villain stronger calling ranges on each street. Once he calls your big turn bet, you're afraid he has you beat – in effect, you bet so big that you were betting for information, whereas betting smaller – half pot or just under – would be a fairly straightforward value bet.
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