View Plans & Pricing

If you are signed in and are seeing this message, please be sure you have selected a user name in My Profile. The forum requires it.
A A A
Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
sp_TopicIcon
27 man bubble hand JJ
xLaylax
Manchester
Guppy
Members
Forum Posts: 3
Member Since:
July 9, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
July 11, 2012 - 10:16 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0
Hi, I'm new here so I'm not sure how to convert the hand. This hand is a 27 man, so 5 places are paid. 
Villain has been playing quite nitty, I thought about shoving 1st in, but idk why decided against it.
I dunno if I made the correct fold coz it just seems like the perfect spot for BB to shove wide there, knowing I can only call a monster pretty much.
So, are u just shoving here first in vs nit bb? and as played what is ur range for calling here?
 
 
PokerStars Hand #83185102396: Tournament #586018892, $6.37+$0.63 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2012/07/11 22:39:55 WET [2012/07/11 17:39:55 ET]
Table '586018892 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: patm788 (3568 in chips) 
Seat 2: dimkor69 (5684 in chips) 
Seat 3: Dobrochip (12224 in chips) 
Seat 4: tomcat1199 (4377 in chips) 
Seat 6: xAnGeLxEyEzx (12298 in chips) 
Seat 8: NickFlick111 (2349 in chips) 
patm788: posts the ante 50
dimkor69: posts the ante 50
Dobrochip: posts the ante 50
tomcat1199: posts the ante 50
xAnGeLxEyEzx: posts the ante 50
NickFlick111: posts the ante 50
dimkor69: posts small blind 300
Dobrochip: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xAnGeLxEyEzx [Js Jh]
tomcat1199: folds 
xAnGeLxEyEzx: raises 666 to 1266
NickFlick111: folds 
patm788: folds 
dimkor69: folds 
Dobrochip: raises 10908 to 12174 and is all-in
xAnGeLxEyEzx: folds 
Uncalled bet (10908) returned to Dobrochip
Dobrochip collected 3132 from pot
Dobrochip: doesn't show hand 
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3132 | Rake 0 
Seat 1: patm788 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dimkor69 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Dobrochip (big blind) collected (3132)
Seat 4: tomcat1199 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xAnGeLxEyEzx folded before Flop
Seat 8: NickFlick111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Avatar
usedstars
Australia
Nose Bleed Member
Members
Forum Posts: 462
Member Since:
July 10, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
July 11, 2012 - 10:31 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Poker Stars $6.37+$0.63 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 6 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

patm788 (BTN): BB = 5.9, t3568
dimkor69 (SB): BB = 9.5, t5684
Dobrochip (BB): BB = 20.4, t12224
tomcat1199 (UTG): BB = 7.3, t4377
Hero (MP): BB = 20.5, t12298
NickFlick111 (CO): BB = 3.9, t2349

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is MP with J of spades J of hearts
1 fold, Hero raises to t1266, 3 folds, Dobrochip raises to t12174 all in, 1 fold

Final Pot: t3132
Dobrochip wins t3132

There you go buddy smile

 

I'm assuming this is the final 6? You are both the big chip stacks by a fair margin, and i kinda looks like he knows you really dont want to get involved in a big pot here with so many short stacks left on the bubble. So it feels like it he is shoving wider than usual here. That said, i probably couldnt help myself calling here, just for sole fact that if your win this hand, you can basically CRUSH the rest of the table to a win a majority of the time. ICM may say otherwise, but i think from my 2 points so far, it's ok to ignore it if it is.

 

Criticism is welcome smile

Avatar
DaNta5tiC
Philadelphia, PA
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
June 12, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
July 11, 2012 - 11:39 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Yea there are a few hands that people do this with could be anything such as 88 – 10 10  I don't him jamming JJ+ with you having JJ I am assuming he doesn't. It could also be allot of A face here too. People sometimes are not comfortable playing post flop with these hands because if they miss a flop or if it's 10 10 and comes AJ5 they have problems folding for some reason. I think I'm fist pump calling here and I'd almost bet at worst you're flipping, just seems odd to do this with QQ+

xLaylax
Manchester
Guppy
Members
Forum Posts: 3
Member Since:
July 9, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
July 12, 2012 - 12:34 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Thx guys

 

” just for sole fact that if your win this hand, you can basically CRUSH the rest of the table to a win a majority of the time.”

 

Yeah I agree, I probably should have called coz he knows I have to fold there so much

 

I think next time I will just jam in that kinda situation, to save myself from a tough decision.

Avatar
usedstars
Australia
Nose Bleed Member
Members
Forum Posts: 462
Member Since:
July 10, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
July 12, 2012 - 7:50 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I wouldn't say just open jam, as then you eliminate the chance for him to 3bet jam over your raise with a wide range. Obviously you're calling every other player if they 3bet jam, so jamming yourself only gets the bb to narrow his calling range to hands that are mostly beating you. If you jam he may fold 66-TT and some broadway hands, but will 3bet jam over your raise with those hands for reasons i stated in my previous post.

Avatar
FloppedBackdoorTrips
Wooster, OH
Small Stakes Grinder
Forum Posts: 81
Member Since:
June 5, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
July 12, 2012 - 9:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I think you have to call here – even against the tightest range (99+, AQ+), you're pretty much exactly flipping.  And he should be doing stuff OTHER than straight jamming w/AA and KK a significant % of the time, given the situation.

 

I also agree with what was said about the likelihood of you winning the whole thing.  With ICM, I feel like most of the thoughts are focused on the cost of losing on the bubble or before a money jump, and the benefit of a big stack is often forgotten/underestimated.

Cougars4444
Guest
Guests
7
July 14, 2012 - 5:36 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I'm raise calling here 100% of the time. If he happens to wake up with QQ+ it's just a cooler.

Psellos
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 50
Member Since:
May 31, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
July 15, 2012 - 6:36 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Cougars4444 said:

I'm raise calling here 100% of the time. If he happens to wake up with QQ+ it's just a cooler.

+1

kasspav
Athens, Greece
Playing Freerolls
Members
Forum Posts: 14
Member Since:
July 13, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
July 16, 2012 - 4:29 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Easy raise call situation as mentioned!

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
47 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

bennymacca: 2616

Foucault: 2067

folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133

praetor: 1033

theginger45: 924

P-aire 146: 832

Turbulence: 768

The Riceman: 731

duggs: 591

florianm1: 588

Newest Members:

Tillery999

sdmathis89

ne0x00

adrianvaida2525

Anteeater

Laggro

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 24

Topics: 12705

Posts: 75003

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1063

Members: 12008

Moderators: 2

Admins: 5

Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos

Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1