ghost, just wanted to comment on your comment on the first hand preflop. the reason you don't 3bet bigger is because you don't really need or want to just shove the flop when you have that many bb behind. the 3b here is for value, meaning because he likes to call 3bets, he's calling a ton where he's way behind- KQ-K9 AQ-AT QJ QT etc. You don't really need to make it worse for him to call because we want his calls. It's awkward when you miss vs a calling station as Chris said, but we don't need to just shut the hand down or whatever. We still gain from his calling of the 3b. we can't really expect or hope for villain to call a 60bb+ 3bet shove either. Is he really calling off 60% of his stack? Probably not. When he does, youre not really thrilled either. Some x% of the time he has premiums and calls and you're behind that range, some x% of the time he has like AQ/AJ which is your value target if youre talking about a huge overbet jam. if he opens like 20% of hands here (which i'm not going to hold as significantly true because we only have 20 hands) that's 264 combos of hands. AQ/AJ he has 16 combos (we have an ace so that blocks half of them) of the 264, which is 6%. so really if youre trying to get called here, youre talking about something he has ONLY 6% of the time, and that's GIVEN his open. it's 6% of the time right now. not 6% of the time overall. that's 6% given our current situation. very distinct diff there. of that, he is probably folding a large chunk of them. but even if he's not, say we even just get the stack when he calls when dominated. 6% of the time we double up, and say we flip to the premiums range (we don't, but i'm at work and really really tired after last night and don't want to separate this into a range that crushes us sometimes and flips sometimes and breaks even for a small amount of combos as well). 5% of 20% is 25%….so 25% of the time here, we flip. that's not even true. it's a negative number. so we can just say it's breakeven if you want for this because we're talking about such a hyperbolic situation here that i think the cost of losing is something we can ignore. then he folds the rest. that's 69% of the time he folds and we only collect a few bb.

so here's ev of shoving over the open

6% x 120bb (60×2 not even accounting for antes and other chips and the other few bb just makes it easier)

25% x 60bb (i said we flip so we're even, but it's negative remember..like def negative. TT-AA + AK )

69% x 65bb (he folds and we take blinds and add to our stack)

total = 67.05 where in the hypothetical we start with 60. considering we have a calling station with an effective stack of 60 like us and we only get 11% of his stack with a premium hand, you see why shoving isn't really an option you want to utilize without very interesting reads that villain will never fold and is totally just gambling (which obviously will happen some part of the time)

Hey bud, love the questions. It really helps me realize how much we all learn when I have to think and type out what I want to say. Okay so back to the villain after 3betting that size. You ask if he's calling 100% of his hands that he opens with because it's pretty good odds. Well, that's my point! It's for value. When he puts in the extra 220 chips out of position with a worse hand than our hand, we're clearly making money. Flatting is a cool option because you have to think about the times villain will value own himself by betting 1-3 streets with top pair weaker kicker (when you both flop an ace, and since he opened and you flatted, you have a wider range in his eyes so he'll vbet three streets with say AJ on safe runouts or AQ, whereas if you had 3b he would have slowed down and likely given you fewer chips. After a 3b people usually play safer/pot controlling for some reason if an Ace flops. But that's just an option. We don't really need to worry about villain 4betting us just because we're 3betting him, rather that's not the majority of what's going to happen. this particular villain is someone who calls 3bets a lot, right? remember he's opening all those hands and then calls all those hands. well his opening range is overall going to be behind AK so when he calls all the hands, he's putting it in bad overall.

not sure what you're asking now…?

If we have AK and villain has less than AK and puts in more money, that's us making money dude! When they put in money with a worse hand than ours, that's a value bet. When we 3b, it's a value bet. The villain is opening and calling wider than AK.

As for 4betting, we have the 3rd best hand preflop. If he 4bet, so be it. But not everyone's looking to 4bet just because they've been 3bet. If he 4bets everytime he opens and is 3bet, he's going to be snapped off (particularly now when we have AK).

To exploit that strategy of shutting down hands when you have the 3rd best hand, I'd know to 4b you when you do 3bet a nonall in size because it severly limits your range by removing 16 combos of AK (since those hands are shoving). I could triple barrel for value on Axxxx more often now because you've taken out the best kicker (meaning I can go bet bet bet with AT-AQ)