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November 28, 2015
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WPN, 300/600 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 32,268 (53.8 bb)
BB: 23,195 (38.7 bb)
UTG+1: 47,526 (79.2 bb)
UTG+2: 24,605 (41 bb)
MP1: 42,727 (71.2 bb)
MP2: 88,544 (147.6 bb)
Hero (MP3): 20,362 (33.9 bb)
CO: 10,596 (17.7 bb)
BTN: 10,444 (17.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Kd Ks
3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 3,000, 4 folds, MP2 calls 1,800
Flop: (7,575) Qd 5d Ac (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks
Turn: (7,575) 7d (2 players)
MP2 bets 3,788, Hero calls 3,788
River: (15,151) 9h (2 players)
MP2 bets 15,151, Hero ??
This is a good fold right??
July 24, 2018
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I think hero played hand perfectly post flop. I wonder about the right bet size here. His sizing left the original raiser with little or no room to 4 bet/fold.
My first thought was to go smaller to induce a 4 bet. It might also induce a 4 bet shove from one of the two short stacks behind us.
Or, we could go on the bigger side, to deny the OR a cheap flop, and force a 4 bet jam or fold response.
This is situation has me quite confused as to the best preflop strategy, in what seems like a trivial spot…
November 28, 2015
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Well, I was thinking I played it fine preflop until you pointed out all the different ways to look at the situation.
On the one hand, I have position on the OR so I figured I would size it on the smaller side to induce him to call or 4-bet but also size it big enough to discourage the short stacks behind me from flatting (whether or not they would flat, I have no clue).
On the other hand, I see what you are saying: Go smaller to provoke the original raiser to 4-bet or get the short stacks to shove. However, it might also induce them to flat my 3/bet and provide a better price for the BB to tag along. All of which I want to avoid.
On the (invisible 3rd) hand, Going even bigger than I did would be nice because it will discourage anyone from flatting, induce them to 4/bet jam or fold.
Very interesting stuff!
February 8, 2017
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I don’t think we want to 3bet smaller than 2.5x in pretty much any situation. Maybe at 18-25bb, we can size our 3bets a bit smaller in position. That would make it cheaper to 3bet/fold and might still induce a shove/fold decision for villains since they’ll be OOP postflop. I’m not in love with it either way.
If anything, I’d prefer going a bit larger preflop. I’m usually only going 2.5 at <=25 bb, and more like 2.7-2.8 at ~ 25-40bb. I don’t think it’s at all incorrect to go 2.5 but I personally prefer making villains’ flats a bit more expensive.
Postflop is exactly how I want to see it played, sucks but I think we just need to fold the river even (perhaps especially) vs polarizing sizing. We also hold the card that the villain is most likely to turn into a bluff, which is more important to me than blocking the 2nd nut flushes. I don’t think we can call without Kd in our hand but it’s probably even worse when we have it.
November 28, 2015
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Yeah I think I’m leaning towards bigger sizing. I do want to charge the OR a good price to see the flop.
The river still haunts me though. Because what Ace is he polarizing his bet with? AA with the ace of diamonds? And an Ace high flush. Does he really have that many though? What is the worst Ace you’d flat OOP against a relatively short stack 3-bet?
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