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215$ 6max-river spot- taking it easy or going for value?
SeeYourSoul
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May 10, 2011 - 6:37 am
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We are playing against a solid player and a complete fish. I guess you won't have much trouble noticing who the fish is. 

Do you raise river for value on this wet wet board? 

Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30/t60 Blinds – 6 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BTN: t9965 166.08 BBs
SB: t12305 205.08 BBs
Hero (BB): t10850 180.83 BBs
UTG: t7475 124.58 BBs
MP: t12610 210.17 BBs
CO: t10695 178.25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BB with 2 of hearts 2 of clubs
2 folds, CO raises to t180, 1 fold, SB calls t150, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t540) 5 of diamonds J of clubs 2 of diamonds (3 players)
SB bets t60, Hero raises to t495, CO calls t495, SB calls t435

Turn: (t2025) 6 of clubs (3 players)
SB bets t120, Hero raises to t1260, CO folds, SB calls t1140

River: (t4545) 4 of diamonds (2 players)
SB bets t180, Hero ????

 

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May 10, 2011 - 7:15 am
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 I'm proably just calling here, I would only rr the river if I was willing to get it allin if he came over the top, which with that board, I wouldn't be. To be honest i'd think with the size of his bet he's proably just making a small stab at the pot, a bet to try to stop you betting more and try to see a showdown cheap,  just making a little value of his 33 or badly played A3(doubtfull), or a made flush which hes hoping for a rr.

 I would by the way it was played tho proably put the Co on a flush draw as I cant think of many other hands he would  call the flop and fold the turn when the price is a little higher, except maybe AJ, KJ or QJ, but with these hands I would have expected a rr from the Co on the flop.

I'd definately just call, unless i'd seen this small bet from him before and I thought he was just trying to get a cheap showdown with top or 2nd pair.

 

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May 10, 2011 - 7:40 am
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Although he's a fish, you have raised his donk mini bets on the two previous streets – he surely has to expect you to do it agian???  If so, thats must what he wants….

I dont play stakes this high, but I often see fish mini bet lead w/ a weak draw, all draws just made it – I just call.

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May 10, 2011 - 8:43 am
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sigh and flat. sucks when this happens

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May 10, 2011 - 10:01 am
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Oh that is tilting when the guy bets so small into such a big pot….yeah i would just call here.

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yeah, I just called, he showed J4o so I defo lost some value… I didn't want to rr for the points Third@eye pointed out. If he puts me to the test I really don't want to call him.

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May 10, 2011 - 8:51 pm
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SeeYourSoul said:

yeah, I just called, he showed J4o so I defo lost some value… I didn't want to rr for the points Third@eye pointed out. If he puts me to the test I really don't want to call him.

yeah, i see this when fish have flush draws so often. 
good to see there is still horrible play at that buyin level!
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be sad that river isn't a blank. Be happy that he bets almost min and just snap it 🙂 In most cases I think he will turn up here with a weak J or 2 pair  though, sometimes a str8 or really weak flush. But my experience is that he will turn up with a weak J or 2p most of the times.

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i think stacks are deep enough to raise/fold the river. i see the argument that he's leading hoping to get raised since we've raised his lead twice, but i think it's probably more likely that he donks much bigger with a flush.

 

i wouldn't raise huge, but i think you could go to ~1500 and fold to a shove.

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May 11, 2011 - 3:18 pm
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flat call imo, awful runout but i dont think turning your hand into a bluff here is a good idea

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May 12, 2011 - 5:58 am
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raising spots like this for values is def something i need to improve on

i almost always snap and never even think about raising here

as said – i would keep flatting until i get good enough to read souls and raise-call a light shove!

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I also just flat with such a wet board would obv hate it if he shoved over my value raise for that reason i always flat in these sigh spots…..which means i probably miss value sometimes.

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