no this seems like a jam. im not 100% because of no antes, but with antes its 100% a shove.

have to expect to be called a lot here but that also means youre getting it in good at some point.  could perhaps try to ladder jump up to a 3rd or 2nd, but if you want to try to win this thing it starts here. even if your hope was to jump the pay levels this would still be a nitty open fold.

Third@eye said:

  As the site I play is without antes, and I study here with people mainly playing with antes. I convert everything M to work out where I/they stand.

 The 500/1000 here would play the same as 400/800 A:75, as both M levels would be the same.

 I'm usually shoving +EV with an M of 7-8 or less with or without antes. 

 Thanks for replying Chris, sounds about rite too me… 

yeah, funny how if you were the 22k stack id be telling you the opposite. lol, just how icm strategy works sometimes. dont think you can afford to wait for morty (10k) to bust when u have 9bb and 1/2bb is already in the pot.