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$20,000 ,shall hero bet for thin value otr?
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#Game No : 806282020
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 806282020 *****
$105,372.16/$100,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #75768416 Free 10 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Thx4callin93 ( $2,719,850 )
Seat 4: IgiBertoldi ( $3,947,766 )
Seat 6: london_ace ( $2,821,584 )
Seat 9: Johnii141 ( $1,078,174 )
Seat 10: BoxcarHobo ( $1,162,520 )
Johnii141 posts ante [$10,000]
london_ace posts ante [$10,000]
IgiBertoldi posts ante [$10,000]
Thx4callin93 posts ante [$10,000]
BoxcarHobo posts ante [$10,000]
london_ace posts big blind [$100,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ Tclub, 9diamond ]
Johnii141 folds
BoxcarHobo folds
Thx4callin93 folds
IgiBertoldi raises [$200,000]
london_ace calls [$100,000]
** Dealing flop ** [ 8heart, 9spade, Tdiamond] (pot $450,000 )
london_ace checks
IgiBertoldi checks
** Dealing turn ** [ 8club]           ( $450,000)
london_ace bets [$125,000]
IgiBertoldi calls [$125,000]
** Dealing river ** [ 5spade ]          ($700,000)
london_ace checks
IgiBertoldi checks

 

hey

 

reads – v seems on the aggressive side , has opened up quite often.

 

I wanted to c/r flop but v never bet. On the turn i bet to get value from 9x 7x and jx, though i think v would bet any kind of draw OTF when checked too, so i guess they are highly discounted unless of course they play passively. This opponent seemed more aggro though. V probably has air once they check back flop or a marginal hand could be in their range.

 

on the river i wanted to go for a c/c line , i guess ingame i was thinking that there’s some chance they floated turn with a gut shot  or a draw. so i thought there’s more merit in c/c and letting them bluff those rather then going for thin value. I don’t think a c/c line is terrible here though its just that I think there’s more merit in value betting since there could be quite a few 9x in their range.

 

Sizing on the river?

 

All thoughts would be appreciated.

 

cheers.

 

cheers!

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I like your line. Especially given your small turn bet (which I like), V had a lot of incentive to call with hands he might now like to bluff. It’s not even out of the question that he’ll value bet worse.

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Glad to hear you liked my line Foucault 🙂 Yeah my sizing was small on the turn and i actually looked at that as a bad thing since he’s probably getting a good pot odds on the call with their draws (that is if any is in their range) lol.

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By the time we get to the river I feel really good about our hand.  I kind of like making the same bet, one that might induce him to bluff raise.  Make it 125,000 again, then call his raise if he makes it.  When you make two back to back small bets like this of the same amount, it screams weak value, (like a naked Ten in this hand) and I think a lot of players will raise you here.

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For them to bluff raise river , would you consider that good play though? v line would not make any sense given the action post flop. i’d like to point out that this is bvb so both opponents ranges are going to be extremely wide almost always. So v should not really bluffing to often dont you think?

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this is bvb so both opponents ranges are going to be extremely wide almost always. So v should not really bluffing to often dont you think?”

I don’t follow this logic.

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I believe you said this in one of vid that you should not bluff too much in bvb, i think it was in your bluffing series? i guess an argument would be that if both opponents ranges are wide its ok to have a wider bluffing range , v should fold more often then not don’t you think?

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I read this as you’re saying there’s a correlation between playing a wider range and propensity to bluff. I see the first one as preflop activity and the second as post.

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There’s no intrinsic reason why both players having wider ranges should lead to a higher bluffing ratio for one player or the other. Wider ranges will usually lead to a larger number of combos being both bluffed and value bet simply because you will have more combos in your starting range. Sometimes the line between bluff and value bet can be blurred as well, on early streets, as many hands, like second pair with a good kicker, could be ahead of a calling range and still benefit a lot from an opponent’s folds.

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ty andrew , nice response 🙂

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