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storkman1971
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December 6, 2010 - 3:49 pm
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I havent played many sat's and i get confused sometimes on strategy.

The converter seems screwy, its puts villians name where mine is supposed to be.

 

Thanks again

 

Hand 1

3bettor had  0 3bet over 26hands but was agg opening ip. caller first hand at table. I had been agg, going all in 3 times in a row  in one orbit with 10-20  bb and only had shown down KK to double up. 12 left paying 4. I am 3rd in chips. Is this a call in a sat? or keep my 30bb? I folded but didn't like it

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TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BTN: BB = 21.5, t8600

SB: BB = 19.8, t7912

BB: BB = 20.0, t7990

Hero (UTG): BB = 30.1, t12033

MP: BB = 21.3, t8515

CO: BB = 10.4, t4175

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is UTG with J of spades J of hearts

Hero raises to t800, MP raises to t8465 all in, CO calls t4125 all in, 4 folds

Flop: (t9950) 7 of spades T of hearts 9 of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

Turn: (t9950) 8 of spades (2 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t9950) 5 of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

 

Hand 2

6 left 3 pay. Raiser had 3 bet 1/3 in co and 1/6 in bb and none elsewhere over 48 hands.  Is this a bad call in a sat? I am 3rd in chips with 2 shorties. I called then it was bugging me that maybe its a fold with sat strategy.

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BB: BB = 16.9, t27107

UTG: BB = 10.1, t16180

MP: BB = 2.3, t3649

Hero (CO): BB = 16.7, t26659

BTN: BB = 25.4, t40627

SB: BB = 2.0, t3278

Pre Flop: (t3600) Hero is CO with K of clubs A of diamonds

2 folds, Hero raises to t3200, 2 folds, BB raises to t26907 all in, Hero calls t23259 all in

Flop: (t54918) J of clubs Q of clubs 5 of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

Turn: (t54918) 4 of spades (2 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t54918) 6 of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

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December 12, 2010 - 12:09 pm
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So the fact that i got 20 views and 0 replies must mean that these are trivially easy spots to everyone I guess. Could someone at least post that they are trivially easy so I can learn? I posted these because Im not sure what I am doing. Or does the fact that nobody replied mean I should do exactly the opposite of what I did or exactly what I did? Or if my post is hard to understand, maybe I need to work on my format. Im just confused.

 

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December 12, 2010 - 6:21 pm
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a simple bump will do the trick, sometimes people just dont get around to reading a post. 

 

Personally, i think both of these hands are a fold. The first one is a pretty easy fold imo – you have the rest of the table covered pretty nicely, and if you call and lose here you are right up against it with 10bb left. 

 

in the second hand, its an interesting spot. If the other player is any good, then he just doesn't do this without a really strong hand. In fact, even if BB does this with 100% of hands,  the way the stack sizes are, you can pretty much fold until you get to the bubble, so i think in ICM terms it is a fold. 

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would have to know how many seats pay in hand 1 if its not close i usually call with my imge if ur a nit you can fold

 

hand 2 is an open shove

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December 13, 2010 - 6:26 pm
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good point about the second hand panda, i definitely agree with the open shove now that you have said it

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HITTHEPANDA said:

would have to know how many seats pay in hand 1 if its not close i usually call with my imge if ur a nit you can fold

 

hand 2 is an open shove

thanks for the replies benny and panda. 

Hand 1, paid 4  

 

Hand 2, shows me I am way off on strategy.  My thinking was that there was still the two stacks left to act that could both put me out of the tournament with 2 shorties and a stack smaller than mine. Is it a shove because the big stacks will be reluctant to call unless they have a monster which isnt going to happen often?  thanks again


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storkman1971 said:

Hand 2, shows me I am way off on strategy.  My thinking was that there was still the two stacks left to act that could both put me out of the tournament with 2 shorties and a stack smaller than mine. Is it a shove because the big stacks will be reluctant to call unless they have a monster which isnt going to happen often?  thanks again



with the stacks as they are, i would tighten up (as you correctly pointed out) but AK is a monster in this spot, and crushes their calling range, not to mention all the times you get folds
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I think hand 1 is a fold.  With your stack you have a decent chance of nitting it up a bit and getting top 4, and losing the 3 way all in would hurt your chances significantly.    In hand 2 I think raise- call is not as good as a shove with 17 bb.  With the 2 shorties, the villain has to have a premium to make it correct to call your shove.  Having raised, I think that you have to call his shove w AK, as he may be shoving lighter, knowing that you need a premium to call him with the shorties  in there.  I suspect that he was shoving lighter than you expected.  Thanks for posting the interesting spots.

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