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$2-R just after rebuy ends. Facing a shove c/r on the river
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April 12, 2016 - 11:33 pm
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Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$2.00+$0.20

Blinds 50/100 9
UTG LittleAgrro 11,825
UTG+1 flaoli 16,043
MP1 Hero 9,325
MP2 birdman647 12,150
MP3 Saviola TJF 11,068
CO kitaec595 15,933
D fbfelix 13,289
SB DaviMMaker 7,092
BB RegulatorG 9,679

Preflop
9 240 Hero is MP1 A J
2 folds, Hero raises to 245, birdman647 calls 245, 4 folds, RegulatorG calls 145
Flop
3 875 Q 6 J
RegulatorG checks, Hero checks, birdman647 bets 500, RegulatorG calls 500, Hero calls 500
Turn
3 2,375 A
RegulatorG checks, Hero checks, birdman647 checks
River
3 2,375 5
RegulatorG bets 1,200, Hero raises to 2,750, birdman647 folds, RegulatorG goes all-in 8,924, Hero ??????
Final Pot 14,049

V after me has flatted me a few times. The first time it was AA. My float was pretty loose, but his bet could just be positional.

No read on the main V in the blinds.

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I cbet flop for sure.

MP2 can bet using position, but I think is less likely cause there is one guy on BB, and you.

Any read on the BB? check/call flop, check/probably call turn, lead and 3bet shove on river looks liek a monster to me, maybe two pairs hero can beat, I think I call river, can´t beat AQ and sets, but other two pairs hero can.

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Easy fold on river – I’m not even sure raising is a good idea.

I also think flop is close. I can see a case for betting or for check-folding (given this action).

You shouldn’t consider a bet “just positional”. Yes, his position enables him to bet more hands profitably than he could from another position, but it doesn’t mean he can or will bet absolutely anything. It’s important to recognize that he’ll probably bet most hands better than yours, so even if he does have a few bluffs in there (which, importantly, will often be stuff like KT or T9 with significant equity) that doesn’t necessarily mean you should call.

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I ended up folding and kicking myself for raising instead of just calling the river. 

The thing I didn’t think about before making that raise in-game is what do I do if I get c/r (no plan. it wasn’t even on my thought-radar). As played, The only hand that really makes sense here that:
1. leads the river
2. that I am still ahead of
3. will call a raise
…is probably exactly QJ, which may feel ahead after we all checked the A. That is not even a range. That is 1 exact hand. Very thin value target right? 

The kind of hands that flat from the blinds twice and then lead the river and shove over a raise seem like straights and sets and almost no bluffs in my mind. 

When I raised I guess I was hoping for some sort of hero call from any pair or weak A. While that is probably not bad thinking if checked to me, why would one of these thin-showdown-value hands lead out in to 2 people instead of c/c? Maybe some bad players might, but a call would have been fine by me.

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MovieFX said
I ended up folding and kicking myself for raising instead of just calling the river. 

The thing I didn’t think about before making that raise in-game is what do I do if I get c/r (no plan. it wasn’t even on my thought-radar). 

It’s good to consider that, but really I think the central problem is what you go on to say, that you didn’t figure to be a favorite even if called. If Villain’s shove is never a bluff (which I believe), then you don’t lose anything by folding to the shove. As long as he will call the raise with enough worse hands to make up for the times he shoves, it is fine and correct to raise for value and fold to a shove.

You’re thinking about this hand well, I just don’t want your take away to be “don’t raise if you can’t call a shove”.

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Thanks for putting that in a better thought-context!

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