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2 Overs and the Nut Flush Draw on the Flop - Is this a fold?
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This is the 15th hand of the $11 Nightly Deepstack on Bovada.  Usually gets around 1200 players.  Villain is loose passive – 64/8/0 over 13 hands.  I have not seen him show down a hand, just limp fold a lot.

 

Blinds:  20/40  no antes; 9 handed;  Chips:  Hero – 2845  Villain – 2205

 

Villain UTG: limps

UTG+1: limps

2 folds

Hyjack: limps

Pot = 180

Hero CO – AdiamondQdiamond: raise 233

folds to Villian who calls

Hyjack calls

Pot = 799

 

Flop:  4diamond 6diamond 7club

 

Villain and Hyjack: check

Hero: bets 333

Villain: raises all in 1972

Hyjack: folds

Hero:  ???

 

Well here I'm getting about 2 to 1 to call.  He is really loose, playing 8/13 hands.  He limped UTG, then called my pfr, then check shoved the flop.  What would you guys do here?  Would you have played differently up until this point?

 

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If the villain has any small pair like 88, 55, you are flipping. If he has a set you  25/70 under dog and if he is on a smaller draw like KJd you are 80/20 favourite.

 

It is close…  If you loose you are left with 12bb and if you fold you still in good shape.

 

I think villain would have raised if he had an actual had and not Check Raise. Check raise makes me feel he is on a draw unless you have been really Agro in the beginning. Because the board looks like something a limper would hit better than a UTG raser he might think you are just cbetting and he can take it away and if you end up calling he has outs with hes draw. 

 

Depending on the day but I might go either way…

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I get it in every time.  You are getting good odds(only need 33-35% based off my quick mental math), and he coudl easily have a worse flush draw, and worst case is he has a straight/set.  

 

I would definitely bet bigger on flop though.  You want to be able to maxmize the value you get.  You could also set up a turn shove if you want, which I sort of like here.  I would bet like 615.  This will set up the perfect turn shove.

 

I expect his range to be a whole lot of hands, even a single 7 we are in great shape against.  Dont fold here please.

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I called his shove and he had 7diamond8diamond for a gutshot and flush draw.

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I think this is a pretty clear call. In $11 and less tournaments you see people getting attached to hands like A8/A5/89/, all of which we're doing well against. When you add in the 64/8/0 villain you can start to throw in junk like q7o, t8o, a4 etc etc. There are just so many combos where we have 50% equity that balance out the 9 set combos and occasional straights. 

 

In fact, if you give the villain a generous range of 77/66/44, 88/55/, 85/35, as well as combinations of a7o/k7o/87o, you're getting 41% equity. In reality I'd expect a far heavier number of spews which probably take it to 45%+ equity, so I'm definitely calling. 

 

N.B. If this was a higher BI tournament and the villain was playing 14/12 then it'd be a different question

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Thank you guys for the responses

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Definitely get it in after betting, as the results show he can be on worse draws. TBH though I don't love betting the flop. Although your equity is always fine, it's rarely better than fine, and I don't think you make better hands fold very often, nor do you make very many worse hands call/raise. Althought getting it in on the flop will be +EV, deferring your betting decisions until later streets may well prove even more +EV.

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