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2 Hands from a TCOOP Satellite
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January 12, 2013 - 6:40 am
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Just won a seat to TCOOP Event 7, 2 hands peaked my interest:

 

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 8 players – View hand 2060748
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UTG: t1480 74 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t1600 80 BBs
MP1: t1500 75 BBs
MP2: t1720 86 BBs
CO: t1470 73.50 BBs
BTN: t1450 72.50 BBs
SB: t1480 74 BBs
BB: t1520 76 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 of hearts 8 of spades
1 fold, Hero raises to t60, MP1 raises to t180, 6 folds

 

This is something i'm still learning. Is it correct to fold here? Being OOP, my only intention is to setmine really. Does calling still have it merits?

 

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t200/t400 Blinds + t50 – 8 players – View hand 2060752
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UTG: BB = 15.3, t6140
UTG+1: BB = 6.1, t2456
Hero (MP1): BB = 27.6, t11053
MP2: BB = 18.4, t7357
CO: BB = 13.3, t5300
BTN: BB = 9.6, t3850
SB: BB = 8.9, t3558
BB: BB = 17.1, t6826

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is MP1 with J of diamonds J of spades
2 folds, Hero raises to t800, 2 folds, BTN calls t800, 2 folds

Flop: (t2600) 3 of diamonds K of diamonds 9 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t969, Hero calls t969

Turn: (t4538) 8 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t2031 all in, Hero calls t2031

Villains playing 18/18 over 28 hands.

Obv r/c any stack, when villain flats a 10bb stack, do you think his range is more nutty hands or hands that wanna see a flop but dont want to get it in yet?

 

I checked the flop because for some reason i felt uncomfortable b/c a shove in the moment, instead chose to c/c and get him to commit more chips with hands worse than mine (9x, sd, fd, smaller pp's)  But now thinking it over i feel he is going to shove a majority of those hands over my flop bet anyway, so i should be happy to b/c it off on this flop?

 

Turn i considered just donk jamming, in case he decided to check back and i lose value. I did check with the intentions of calling a shove as i could very well have the best hand still, and if i didnt i still had the redraw.

 

How was my analysis of these hands? What is TPE's thoughts on this?

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Wait? PS says that Event 07 is a $27+R event?

Really don't recommend satalliting into a turbo rebuys as you need to be able to comfortably invest in a ton of rebuys to play optimal strategy. But let's not give that any more thought for now.

 

First hand I would open for min, the reasons are even bigger to do this at a satalite, you save a decent amount on your c-bet, and you might get a couple of more hands in to have a hand when you get your set, raising min gives the edge to the better postflop player, and we'd like to assume we are that. Folding to the full 3x is good. You are oop, and even tho you have +8x odds for hitting, he is going to get away from his range a decent percent of times you flop a set, and he might outdraw your set, so odds not good enough, so it's a fold. For satalites you even need better odds, as the chips lost means even more than chips gained (this is depended on players/seat ratio, the higher it is the more the tourney plays like a regular tourney in early stages).

 

Now, for the second hand, at $4 its one seat per ~7players(6.9 or something), meaning that above 1500*7 (11500) is avg stack at bubble, so how many players was left until the bubble in that JJ hand? You have a huge stack and your primary goal should be conserving chips as earning chips for you is almost no value, losing chips is obviosuly huge -EV.

I think, unless his play has been demonstrated as bad, that his calling range is better than his shoving range. I think he shoves all hands that you have beat/are flipping against PF, and now you are losing to most of his flipping range aswell. I think, if villian hasent demonstrated that we should play otherwise, check folding the flop might be our best play, as winning this pot isn't nearly as +EV as losing it is -EV. You are realisticly only beating TT/AQ(?) in his range, and i think TT rarely flats for value. Now this might be exploitable, but I don't think that is really bad in satalites.

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Hey,

 

I do mostly agree with N here, but I would def open first hand to 60, that seems fine. We are really deep and we want to be able to extract as much value as possible if we hit our set. The fold is good i think, you are right in saying that you will be OOP if you call a 3 bet, the fold is def the safe route and it's a good fold, specially early on.

Second hand I believe would play out strongly dependant on reads. Is this the first hand he plays with a 10 BB stack? Has he shoved before, what hands has he shown down, etc.

I would def b/c a shove on this flop as he can do that with 9x diamond draw or as weak as a gutshot. he only has about 7 BBs when he calls you pre, a little bit of a sucky spot. I would make up my mind on the flop tho, im either going with it, in which case i'll try to get the chips in now, or im check/folding. I dont think your bet, then c/c is good, tbh.

It is obv important to consider what N mentions here about the tEV too, something to note..

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What gutshots are in is flatting range with 9-10BB? What diamond draws? If we assume this is a decent player and not a horrid donk that knows nothing of poker than I think it's fine to check fold. Our stack is super healthy, we only need to mantain this stack to get the ticket. We can definitly pick good stealspots as noone is playing back on us light nearing the bubble anyway. I think losing this pot puts us in an ugly spot whereas winning it doesnt change much at all.

 

This is ofcourse satalite play. I would not recommend this play in a regular tournament.

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First off, i didnt have any intentions of using the ticket for event 7, i moved it over to event 1 as soon as i got it wink

 

For the first hand, i can see merits in you min raise Nqon, but ultimatley i agree with my Psyk1ck on 3x'ing here. I dont think there is much difference in flop cbet sizing when i raise to 60 pf instead of 40 (this is going on the basis of a heads up pot, multi way i see your merits more) in relation to my stack size, and i certainly dont think i would double barrel, so i dont mind justifying losing a couple more chips on a cbet gone bad, if it means i get to build a bigger pot when i do hit my set.

For the second hand, i absolutley agree with you here Nqon. I didnt think about the average stack when the seats payout, and yeah this hand took place with about 13-15 players left with 7 seats, so i now see i do not need to take this spot when i can basically fold my way to a seat with this stack.

 

And for the record, he had KT and i binked a diamond to coast to a seat wink EZGAME

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