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$2.50 180 man on PS FT AKo 1st in
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May 9, 2016 - 12:11 am
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Hello!

Was playing some 180s today, and face a hard decision here, what do you and why?

SB was kinda LAG player, but most for steals, I 3bet him twice before, all in and he folded, BB was more TAG kind of a player.

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 400 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 82,576 (20.6 bb)
BB: 44,169 (11 bb)
Hero (CO): 91,155 (22.8 bb)
BTN: 52,100 (13 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Aheart Kclub
Hero raises to 8,000, BTN folds, SB raises to 82,176 and is all-in, BB calls 39,769 and is all-in, Hero ??

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4 handed this is a clear call for me. I don’t see how we can fold AK in this spot. We’re probably flipping with one of them but AK is to strong of a hand to fold 4 handed to me.

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May 9, 2016 - 11:37 am
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Almo,

Why don’t you try putting the all in players on ranges, calculating your equity, and seeing what it looks like?

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Foucault said
Almo,

Why don’t you try putting the all in players on ranges, calculating your equity, and seeing what it looks like?

True, didn´t cross my mind embarassed. And after seing this I have to do this way more often on my studying…

So, I put some ranges, from what I am thinking here, be free to correct if you want, and if there is reasoning behind will be better smile.

          For SB´s range I put: 22+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+
          For BB´s range I put: JJ+, AKs, AKo
                    Hero with AhKc has 25.62% of wining;
                    SB 31.19%
                    BB 43.19%

Altough I don´t think SB will play AA or KK that way many times, and we also have him blocked for those. Then I am not sure if he is shoving a wider range than I think to exploit me for ICM reasons too. Thought on this?

BB range should be tighter tow, QQ+, but again, we block AA and KK combos, but he is also short… and he can think SB is shoving light to exploit me for ICM reasons… I don´t know what kind of thinking was going on here with this players.

I folded the hand because I was more affraid of the BB´s call. Versus that SB´s range hero would have 51.34% to win, and I probably would call him.

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Is this the final table? That would be a relevant detail to include in your OP! In that case you should use ICMizer or HRC to solve this.

One important detail you are missing, though, is that you need to distinguish between your equity in main pot vs side pot. Main pot will be ~133K, of which you are contributing 32K or about 24%, making it a roughly break even call.

In the side pot with SB, you are contributing 50% and have 51% equity, so again roughly break even.

Then again, that’s assuming worst case scenario ranges. I’d be surprised if either player were tighter than this, but not surprised if either, especially BB, were wider. 

The blocker effects that you mention are already considered in the equity calculations. It is worth asking, as you do, whether SB really jams AA or KK here. Pulling those out of his range would change things a bit.

I think if this is final table your ranges are realistic and you need an edge to call so I’d fold. If not, BB at least is probably wider than this and I would call.

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Foucault said
Is this the final table? That would be a relevant detail to include in your OP! In that case you should use ICMizer or HRC to solve this.

I just put on the title, should have mentioned on the post too.

I don´t own ICMizer or HCR, I check on SNG wizard but I can´t calculate after they go all in. I will buy this soon.

One important detail you are missing, though, is that you need to distinguish between your equity in main pot vs side pot. Main pot will be ~133K, of which you are contributing 32K or about 24%, making it a roughly break even call.

In the side pot with SB, you are contributing 50% and have 51% equity, so again roughly break even.

Have not think about two pots there too. But on the assumption that this pot is about to be break even, is better to go for stack preservation, right? Assuming one will be KO, or be short after.

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Ufff, I’m putting BB way wider than JJ+, AKo+ with 11BB on a 4 handed table. As far as he knows you can be opening KT (which you should) and the SB can be pushing AJ or AT, maybe even KQ or KJ given the way he’s been playing, if I look at AQ or even TT I’m going to be calling a lot here.

If I’m puting myself in the BBs shoes I definitively have a call range wider than JJ+, AK. I’m probably calling with 99+, AQo… With 99 making me doubt but willing to take a chance with my 11BB… Is my range to wide?

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chaos said
Ufff, I’m putting BB way wider than JJ+, AKo+ with 11BB on a 4 handed table. As far as he knows you can be opening KT (which you should) and the SB can be pushing AJ or AT, maybe even KQ or KJ given the way he’s been playing, if I look at AQ or even TT I’m going to be calling a lot here.

If I’m puting myself in the BBs shoes I definitively have a call range wider than JJ+, AK. I’m probably calling with 99+, AQo… With 99 making me doubt but willing to take a chance with my 11BB… Is my range to wide?

I think a 3bet shove with 20bbs on sit and go is usually more tight than on mtts.

I was thinking to exclude JJ from BB´s range when I did that actually hehehe, but I am way too tight on this, need to open sometimes, may be losing some value with.

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