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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100.00/t200.00 Blinds – 9 players
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CO: t4235.00 21.18 BBs – VPIP: 20, PFR: 6, 3B: 5, AF: Infinity, Hands: 65
BTN: t5693.00 28.46 BBs – VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 24
SB: t5600.00 28 BBs – VPIP: 24, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 50
Hero (BB): t10130.00 50.65 BBs – VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 66379
UTG: t19825.00 99.12 BBs – VPIP: 48, PFR: 11, 3B: 9, AF: 2.8, Hands: 65
UTG+1: t3620.00 18.10 BBs – VPIP: 14, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 4.0, Hands: 64
UTG+2: t23690.00 118.45 BBs – VPIP: 82, PFR: 64, 3B: 67, AF: Infinity, Hands: 11
MP1: t10835.00 54.17 BBs – VPIP: 60, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 5
MP2: t1690.00 8.45 BBs – VPIP: 10, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 20
Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with K
Q
6 folds, BTN raises to t600, 2 folds
At the time Btn had only raised once in under 20 hands so I put him on a lot of Aces, pairs and some K's. If the hand had have been suited, I would have 3bet no problem but I am not sure about un-suited.
I think the fold may have too tight but if called I did not want to play a marginal hand OOP.
Or was it too tight?
and what sort of range would a 3bet be right in this spot since I have no real reads?
One more thing, There is a snap shot of my stats in this post please comment…
I think even at this Buy in is safe to assume the villain will raise a bit wider from the button. If you put him on a 15% opening range since he is a 13/13 from his stats (its a very small sample size of course so he could be card dead…) that puts you as a 46% small dog OOP. assuming he is going to CBet very often I dont mind your fold and look for a better spot.
If you do the same with a 20% opening range for the villain you are still a a small dog. (close to 50-50)
My point is, nothing wrong with folding here. I like 3betting either very light or very strong here, since the villain might have you dominated a large percentage of the time if he flats.
I think your stats are solid, obv it depends what kind of tourneys you predominantly play, large fields, buy ins and structure. One thing I have noticed is that your 3bet is 5% which indicates you arent really 3betting light, that might be something you need to look at.
June 22, 2010
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I think he is going for a standard steal here, it was folded to him and an easy shot to pick up the blinds. 3-bet him here, more often than not you will take the pot down, and let him know you are not dead money. BTN raises tend to be wide and your KQo is a good defending hand.
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July 3, 2010
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I think flatting is ok. So is 3 betting. I think folding is the worst option here.
It's pre-antes which makes me lean toward a flat a lot more. You're not going to 3bet/get it in for 57 bb this early and KQ plays too well post-flop to 3bet/fold
October 6, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
I think flatting is ok. So is 3 betting. I think folding is the worst option here.
It's pre-antes which makes me lean toward a flat a lot more. You're not going to 3bet/get it in for 57 bb this early and KQ plays too well post-flop to 3bet/fold
I just dont see what you achieve with a 3bet here guys?
We cant assume he is stealing just because he opens from late position, he only has 28 bbs and he has played 1 hand in 2 orbits . He either is card dead right now or he just plays top holdings.
Why do we bloat the pot with hand likely to be behind right now! We have no indication that he folds to 3bets so we are basically restealing on spot that IMO with low % of success rate. I get the point of taking control of the hand amd opening up the ppssibility of taking the pot away on the flop if the villain doesnt hit though, but you can do that soon enough i just dont think this is the best spot.
Flatting I can see to defend and if you flop decently to continue action dependent, but even a Q or K on the flop seem still to not give me full confidence.
I still say afold is ok, and a flat fine but less appealing.
I think a flat is fine here. Plenty of ‘tight’ villains know they have to steal blinds. That’s if this hand sample is actually representative of his actual range – which is unlikely.
I don’t mind 3 betting either with the intention of folding to a shove – although wasting the strength of your hand it does neutralise your positional disadvantage post flop (unless he calls) You might just get him to fold better hands since he’s ‘supposed’ to be tight and he knows that.
The last thing, have you 3bet at all since he’s been at the table? Have you been pretty active?
G0liath said:
The last thing, have you 3bet at all since he's been at the table? Have you been pretty active?
This is pretty important to me, if youve not got involved recently he'll give you more credit and fold lots pf
By 3betting you take the lead and will oftentimes take it down with a cbet by showing so much strength, if he plays back you know youre probs beat with your kicker and can lay it down
I dont mind a flat either, but would rather have the lead oop
Would find it hard to fold without many more hands and even tighter stats…
October 6, 2010
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i dont like flatting because you are giving up the lead in the hand and you basically have to play fit or fold postflop.
i also think you are ahead of a button open range, and that alone is good enough for me to 3bet. at this level you are never ever getting 4bet with worse so you dont have to worry about wasting the value of your hand by 3betting and then folding.
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