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November 25, 2017
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UTG: 21,145 (15 bb)
UTG+1: 6,727 (5 bb)
MP: 5,392 (4 bb)
MP+1: 44,837 (32 bb)
LP: 15,761 (11 bb)
CO: 25,075 (18 bb)
BU: 38,390 (27 bb) 13/13 8 hands
SB (Hero): 40,984 (29 bb)
BB: 34,600 (25 bb)
Pre-Flop: (3,675) Hero is SB with 8♥ 8♦
6 players fold, BTN raises to 4,200, Hero 3-bets to 40,809 (all-in), 1 fold, BTN calls 34,015 (all-in)
hello team,
We are 4-5 places before buble I am 100th/1005 and I got this situation. My thinking was 3X oper from bu seems strong but 88 is to strong too. What is best here 3bet/fold ? I push because I cover him and If I get called and loose I am getting into the money. What you think ?
March 10, 2016
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The 13/13 over 8 hands doesn’t give us enough info about player. I think a 3x button open is not as strong as the same size open from EP. I gave opponents a range of 55+, A9s, KTs, QJs, ATo+, KJo+ for raising 3x and you have 49% equity against this range. With fold equity and the fact that you cover the player this is a shove imo.
January 3, 2018
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Since we all know that the button called your shove, his range looks really strong. You have plenty of chips to make a run towards the final table so I prefer 3bet/fold. Another option is calling to set mine but with in the bubble situation, you could play it safe for a few more orbits.
March 10, 2016
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elk8000 said
Since we all know that the button called your shove, his range looks really strong. You have plenty of chips to make a run towards the final table so I prefer 3bet/fold. Another option is calling to set mine but with in the bubble situation, you could play it safe for a few more orbits.
Hey elk8000, I think you missed that it is the money bubble of a turbo with 1000 players still remaining. 3bet folding versus a 3x is even more of a disaster as you will put a lot of money in and if he shoves you get great odds to call the shove…you would need about 39% and 88s is going to be super close. I don’t like set mining since the OR opened to 3x, I dont think you are getting the right odds. In a turbo with a $1000 people you can shove, lose and still make the money with the remaining blinds you have if that is your concern.
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August 25, 2012
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With 27bb effective stacks and a 3x open size, you can’t have a 3-bet/folding range here. There’s no sizing to which you can 3-bet that actually achieves reasonable fold equity, while not pricing you into calling any 4-bet shove.
I think playing a shove or fold approach here is fine, since flatting OOP is going to get awkward fast with the large raise sizing and the reduced postflop SPR. If we’re playing shove or fold then 88 definitely has to go into our shoving range. I don’t think we can take a read of 13/13 over 8 hands remotely seriously – it’s just not enough to go on.
Population reads on the player pool are much more relevant here, and in a $2.20 tournament there’s both a decent chance of you having high fold equity, and a decent chance of getting raise-called by a worse hand like 77. Both those realities add up to this being a good shove here.
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