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LIVE TOURNAMENT (1K Buy-in)
BLINDS 250/500 50 ante (6th level)
Player 2 (HJ): 16K
HERO (CO): 28K
Villain (SB): 55-58K
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q
Q
action folds to Player 2 that raises to 1.3K, Hero raises to 3.1K, SB thinks for a few seconds and 4bets to 8.3K, HJ miscalls 3.1K and then fold, Hero?
Table is very aggressive, lots of 3 bets and 4 bets and above average players. I was down all the way to 10.5K after 2 big coolers and battled my way back to the starting stack squeezing, 3betting, and looking for EV+ spots. I’d say I was not the most aggro player on the table, but about an orbit before I did 5bet shove Player 2 HU on the flop (and won a bunch of pots against him also).
Villain was a pocket 5s top 30 player last year and we’ve been on the same touble for some 4-5 hours. I did 3bet him a couple of times after he openned and was flatted, but besides from that we haven’t played pots post-flop together.
A few things going through my head (going both ways):
1) The Villain seemed not to be going overboard bluffing, playing mostly for value and rather conservative (probably due to excelent structure). Then again obviously nobody gets so far by not having a balanced 4bet range. He got pretty much all his stack from a nit that decided to spew chips.
2) It did look like I was trying to iso the HJ/Player2, as I got over half his stack already (he’s just recently won a big pot against another player so that’s why he was not so short).
3) The tournament had an excelent structure, even below average I had over 50 bbs and I did feel I had an edge over at least 5 players on the table and I was taking a decision possibly for my tournament life.
Any thoughts about the villain’s range, bet sizing and how to proceed?
Thanks
May 30, 2012
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will he percieve you as having a balanced 5betting range? i prob 5bet shove and hope you get hero'd as you cant 5bet/fold ever so smallish 5bet looks stronger. flatting sucks as he probably gives up alot with his air since it looks so strong and valuey. this isnt actually a great light cold 4bet spot since he cant fold to SS 5bet shove. so rather than being light he prob has a slightly wider range for value and a smaller bluff frequency (thats what i would do at those stack sizes). What is player 2s image? if he is spewy then villain could be 4bet/calling him with 99+ AQ+ and folding some of that to you. I shove and get called by AK+ JJ+ and hopefully get hero'd by 1010 and AQ
July 3, 2010
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Villain's sizing seems pretty standard – bumps it up a bit OOP. Not much to gain there.
I'm super tempted to flat and get it in on any flop that doesn't have an ace or king on it. If he's holding over us then we were ****ed from the word go anyway. But a guy this aggro probably cbets 100% and stacks will be such that he'd be committed calling off with worse whereas he can pitch some worse hands preflop.
He's absolutely not calling off with 99, TT, or AQ if you jam pre. JJ is extremely marginal. If you jam and are called you're likely looking at AKs as a best case scenario. He's a top player so he doesn't need to take a flip when he's got the table covered in chips.
Only other option I suppose is doing a min CIB and still calling off with QQ.
Even if you think you're in a potential cooler spot it's infinitely better to induce a shove than be the jammer since inducing at least maintains hope that a worse hand will be in his range.
duggs said:
will he percieve you as having a balanced 5betting range? i prob 5bet shove and hope you get hero'd as you cant 5bet/fold ever so smallish 5bet looks stronger. flatting sucks as he probably gives up alot with his air since it looks so strong and valuey. this isnt actually a great light cold 4bet spot since he cant fold to SS 5bet shove. so rather than being light he prob has a slightly wider range for value and a smaller bluff frequency (thats what i would do at those stack sizes). What is player 2s image? if he is spewy then villain could be 4bet/calling him with 99+ AQ+ and folding some of that to you. I shove and get called by AK+ JJ+ and hopefully get hero'd by 1010 and AQ
Duggs, thanks for the good feedback. Sorry for the late reply but I was away this weekend.
Our table was very aggressive but that said, as in most live games there wasn't that much 5-bet going on. I did 5-bet shove on the flop a few hands before against Player 2 that had this funny tendency of openning a ton (and double/triple barrel muck) whenever he got short stacked. I'd say that I was perceived as having a balanced range here.
As far as the times I've been 4betted, I believe I did jam once (as mentioned above), flatted another and folded a third one. Also the only time I've showed my cards was when I had to fold Kings as it became obvious that the villain did hit his Ace. So I did think that he perceived me as capable of folding and by his sizing (even OOP) I thought he most likely didn't have Aces or Kings here (would make something like 6.8k-7.4k not making it suspicious but more likely to induce a call). Is that even reasonable or is that purely wishful thinking?
Agreed that he couldn't be awfully light here.
FkCoolers said:
Villain's sizing seems pretty standard – bumps it up a bit OOP. Not much to gain there.
I'm super tempted to flat and get it in on any flop that doesn't have an ace or king on it. If he's holding over us then we were ****ed from the word go anyway. But a guy this aggro probably cbets 100% and stacks will be such that he'd be committed calling off with worse whereas he can pitch some worse hands preflop.
He's absolutely not calling off with 99, TT, or AQ if you jam pre. JJ is extremely marginal. If you jam and are called you're likely looking at AKs as a best case scenario. He's a top player so he doesn't need to take a flip when he's got the table covered in chips.
FkCoolers thanks for the very insightful reply.
In all honesty I didn't give that much thought to flatting here as it was a significant portion of my stack, but obviously it would make a lot of sense to flat and jam over a cbet in a favorable flop.
Agree that by shoving here I most likely wouldn't be called by any hands that I was crushing. I thought I might be called by AQ given my somewhat aggressive image and almost all pots won without showdown. He did bust out of this tourney later 5bet shoving AQo against AA against a somewhat tight player, but I don't know the dynamics that led to that (the only thing I know is that he lost a big pot when he had Aces cracked so he might be tilted).
But even so given that he'd cbet close to 100% of the flops, I could get paid later.
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