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$16.50 6handed 1.5K and stone cold bubble
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August 16, 2011 - 10:25 am
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This is one of those spots that you know poker is cruel and you feel like they are trying to get you out bubble. 21 players left and it pays 20. Merge is so shallow, I am 8/21 at start of the hand.

Villian is a complete donk and was opening with 4 and 5x in pots and overbetting everything. This is such a draw heavy board. Would flatting his ridiculous flop bet be a better line since he is never folding after that bet? I assume that bet is not a straight and is something like T9 or some form of flush draw. What you guys think he has and what is your line?

Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t200.00/t400.00 Blinds – 5 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

YesItsBig (SB): t4795.00 11.99 BBs
SoonerDuck (BB): t19144.00 47.86 BBs
TheGrinder0 (UTG): t4223.00 10.56 BBs
Bluff5555 (CO): t6705.00 16.76 BBs
Hero (BTN): t11383.00 28.46 BBs

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is BTN with 7 of spades 7 of diamonds
2 folds, Hero raises to t800, 1 fold, SoonerDuck calls t400

Flop: (t1800) 8 of clubs T of hearts 7 of hearts (2 players)
SoonerDuck bets t2050.00, Hero raises to t10533

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He may have almost any random T, FD, SD anyway I dont see him folding after potting flop I CIB on flop and get it in. Jam is also fine.

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August 17, 2011 - 5:27 pm
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I would see myself doing the same thing.  Very wet board and want to get my money in with the equity you have. 

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August 17, 2011 - 8:10 pm
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meh you played it fine imo. 

 

with a villain like this, scare cards could possibly kill your action if he has a T or something like that. so i would jam here, i think its fine. 

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He had 99 and binked his straight on the river. Since the turn was a blank I wondered if I should have flatted on the flop and got it in on the turn. The more I think about it though, calling 2k hoping not to see a flush or straight card on the turn is not great either. So I think getting it in there was fine.

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August 18, 2011 - 7:54 pm
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hawkeyeK9 said:

He had 99 and binked his straight on the river. Since the turn was a blank I wondered if I should have flatted on the flop and got it in on the turn. The more I think about it though, calling 2k hoping not to see a flush or straight card on the turn is not great either. So I think getting it in there was fine.

i think you lose value if you dont get it in on the flop, because you want him to stack off with his 10 outer. 
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Is folding here an option? One from the money, 77 does not play well after the flop, especially raising into a donk who will probably call with anything.

Yes want we want and hope for but on the bubble, do we want this spot?

 

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August 19, 2011 - 2:39 am
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i am guessing you mean pre?

 

from the button, i dont think so, because we are going to take it down pre a lot anyway, but from utg i think it would be fine to fold 

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bennymacca said:

hawkeyeK9 said:

He had 99 and binked his straight on the river. Since the turn was a blank I wondered if I should have flatted on the flop and got it in on the turn. The more I think about it though, calling 2k hoping not to see a flush or straight card on the turn is not great either. So I think getting it in there was fine.

i think you lose value if you dont get it in on the flop, because you want him to stack off with his 10 outer. 

Yep. His c-bet indicates he's not folding and is likely scared of the flush, not drawing to it. Just jam and make it look like you're the one on the draw and laugh half the time when you're facing a call from top pair no redraw.

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August 19, 2011 - 8:01 am
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Donskey said:

Is folding here an option? One from the money, 77 does not play well after the flop, especially raising into a donk who will probably call with anything.

Yes want we want and hope for but on the bubble, do we want this spot?

 

Never folding. 5 handed 77 is always an open preflop.

Post flop there are 3 hands that beat us and we have a redraw against 1 of those. If we get all the betting discs in and win the hand we're likely CL and we can start abusing. 

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August 19, 2011 - 8:07 am
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as previously said – we lose value by flatting the flop so we have to jam

 

i'm never folding this button with 77 pre either

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August 20, 2011 - 2:59 pm
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Thanks for the comments everyone!

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August 21, 2011 - 8:13 am
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Yeah I’m always opening and always jamming. He’s almost always behind, and as stated many times you lose a ton of value just flatting the ridiculous flop bet especially if you think he’s betting draws here. His thought process is horrible, thinking you’re jamming two overs here considering your button open. UL that he got there, but if garbage players couldn’t bink scores, merge would be even more shallow than it already is.

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August 22, 2011 - 1:04 pm
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you played it absolutely right!

 but i know these 2nd thoughts when losing in such a spot(especially on the bubble or at the ft), i also have em.

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August 23, 2011 - 5:02 pm
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You played it fine.  Just unlucky.

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