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May 19, 2016
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V is somewhat competent player or possibly just smacked in the head with the deck, plays lots of hands claiming that the Day 1’s were all about building a chip stack, and was on a heater early stages which seemed to cool off by late early stage.
Hero playing tight and hasn’t switched gears yet, 3rd hand of level one went from 15K units to 28K units from 2 fish. Played few hands, folding most and only taking blinds a couple times after good chip up.
Live $150 buy-in $75K GTD Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood Florida.
100/200 blinds, 25 anti
full 9 top
SB 23K
BB (V) 48K
UTG 15K
UTG+1 (Hero) 25K
MP 21K
MP+1 12K
HJ 29K
CO 10K
BTN 27K
Pre-Flop action
Pre-flop
UTG folds, Hero bets 600 with K
J, Folds to BB which calls, Pot 1300
Put V on a wide range of hands like 45%+ protecting is blind and just coming off heater.
Flop: 8
7
2
V checks, Hero bets 850, V Calls, Pot 3000
Narrowed his range to about 17% to 20%
Turn: Q
V checks, Hero bets 1800, V calls, Pot 6600
Narrowed his range to 8% and the reason I checked River. 8% is 66+, AKs-A10s, KQo, AKo-AJo
River: 3
What kind of hand range do we put on the V. Do we feel my bet sizing and frequency is good or should we have checked the flop, and turn?
February 20, 2015
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I would assign a wider range, even though you 3X pre. The 3X could be perceived more of a reaction to how deep everyone is (early stages) than a mechanism to get people to fold more often pre.
872 hits V’s range pretty hard. All kinds of top pair and middle pair. He’s so deep he’s got no problem check-calling his way to the end with showdown value, and the larger bets (60% of pot) aren’t going to resonate with him. You could accomplish the same with a smaller bet.
Although you know you haven’t played a lot of hands lately and therefore have an image that can let you “take one down,” you don’t know whether V has noticed it. V may be too busy paying attention to his own cards.
Great job with your read on V. That’s key to helping make more informed decisions.
In short, I’d bet smaller on the flop (40%) and shut it down on the turn instead of firing another barrel.
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December 6, 2012
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JR,
Just because you think V will get to river with 8% of hands doesn’t mean it will be the 8% best pre-flop hands according to Equilab or wherever you got that range from. He’s going to choose which hands to continue with based on his coordination with the board. Like, how could T9, 98, etc not be in his range on the river? I suggest checking out my Hand Reading series to get a better sense of how to do this in game.
Joel,
When he sees the flop with half the deck, no flop hits his range “pretty hard”. Of course he has 8x, 7x, T9, etc in this range, but he also has lots of Q9 and A5 and KT and the like that missed entirely. You can’t determine how hard a flop hits someone by just thinking about the top of their range, you have to look how many hands will miss completely as well.
Flop is pretty close between checking or betting small. As played, I’d give up turn. There are better ways to play poker than just blindly barreling because you think you have a tight image. If he has 98, all the image in the world isn’t going to get him off of it.
May 19, 2016
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Thank you both for the insights.
Obviously one of my leaks is over valuing my cards, and not putting enough value on V’s, and obviously getting the wrong reads.
I will check out the vids F, already planed on it, but will change my order in my list of necessity videos.
Regards,
December 30, 2015
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I agree with Faucault 100%. You lost me on the range %s.
KJs is at the very bottom of my open range UTG+1 and that flop is all over the BB’s defending range. I don’t think I c-bet here, read-less. I check hoping for ether K or J or more info to attempt a steal in position. I think we also get more information with a check than a bet here. V can float with a lot of hands (33-66, draws, even A2s with a backdoor flush draw, etc) or hit hard (open-ended with 2 overs, two-pair+, etc), a bet doesn’t tell us which. I also check some QQ+ here with such a low dry flop to go for the back 2 streets of value, but maybe not against the BB’s range…not sure.
Even if I do c-bet, I don’t think I barrel the turn without a Q, it looks too lucky. I’d want (plan) a 3rd barrel to really sell it, depending on the river. When it comes such a blank I think I’d have to fire again. I don’t know if it is worth it though. 3 barrels is pretty rare for me and I have to have a good read on the situation in-game.
Checking the flop makes representing the queen more interesting and cost effective to me. Maybe even save the c-bet money to bluff-raise the Q if V leads out trying to make up for a missed bet with 7x or 8x type hand….ready to bet/fold. This is a bet that can tell us a lot I think, and win a good amount of the time.
Thoughts?
May 19, 2016
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The range percentage I use pokerstove,
I try to narrow down, but obviously I make a fissure out of a fault line.
One of the reason I joined to find my faults, even if there’s a huge wart on my nose, I don’t see it. In other words, obvious….to others apparently.
I have started to watch the hand reading series, will re-watch a few times as I like it so far.
Movie thank you for the input: Checking the flop and betting the Q would be more interesting and may have worked but I don’t think so guy was pretty stubborn and honestly avoided playing against him most of the game. Folded to him numerous times as BB. Before and after this hand, after first level I was past card dead more like card purgatory.
I keep reading over this post, as well as others trying to glean info I may have missed, especially when there is a new comment so keep’em coming guys and gals!
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