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$15 45 man turbo Raise/Fold, All in pre or fold?
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October 19, 2012 - 5:46 am
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LARRABY (BB): BB = 5.9, t1757
Hero (UTG): BB = 15.9, t4771
Jake870 (MP): BB = 4.1, t1225
2benari (CO): BB = 4.7, t1420
Bergmannen (BTN): BB = 17.1, t5115
MrGlass18 (SB): BB = 19.9, t5970

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is UTG with A of diamonds 7 of diamonds
Hero raises to t4746 all in, correct?

 

down to 19 left. My thought process was that the table had been pretty tight, we were 6 handed and the big stacks have to wake up to a big hand to call me. However what is the right play here

1) Fold pre – seems too weak but im early position

2) Raise fold to bigger stacks – Could be the right option, reflecting on it. However it gives them an option to play back at me.

3) All in – I did this because of the table being tight and tried stealing the blinds/antes

 

All thoughts would be great! Thanks

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October 19, 2012 - 6:50 am
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My push/fold chart says you can profitably jam this range:

22+ A8s+ A5s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s

But this range in inaccurate for a few reasons. Firstly, you are 6 handed though and my chart assumes there are 9 antes so you should be slightly narrower than this range in a vacuum. Secondly it assumes optimal calling ranges but you say the table is playing tight so can jam wider than this range. Thirdly it assumes everyone at the table has you covered but in this spot there are 3 short stacks who you don't have to worry about so much, which means you can widen your range.

So I would say jamming is +ev.

But that doesn't necessarily make it the best play. If you think the big stacks are playing tight and aren't going to be flatting wide or 3bet jamming light then I think the best line is to open here, calling off the short stacks and folding to the big stacks. But if you think the big stacks are going to play back at you then I prefer a jam.

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I'm asuming this is 9man FT with 7 paid? And you are probably sitting somewhere between 8-5th at the start of this hand?

 

1) raise (fold to back stack call all shorties) – if you get reraised by a bigger stack i think you have to fold. However, just making a standard raise UTG with all the shorties at the table looks decently strong. So, i dont think you're going to get reriased too light here. If you raise/fold and get no hand through the blinds you'll be down to 10bbs. this is no disaster in this format.

2) Open Shove – if your called by a bigger stack your nearly allways dominated but still will have 35% equity most times, so not the end of the world.

3) open Fold – always 0% EV but you will be preserving your stack for a better positional spot.

 

Personally I'm not a fan of shoving Arag (suited or otherwise) when I don't have to. I'm sure this is perfectly within  the correct push fold range for your stack, but is going to be towards the bottom end and so will be a high varience play even though it will be a small +Ev play long term.

 

In this spot with your stack i think preference order would be Fold, Raise/Fold, Shove.

 

If you had 9 or less BBs then its a no brainer shove.

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Given this is a turbo and we are 6 handed this is an ok shove but is on the bottom end of my open/shoving range in this dynamic. I think I am folding though and would be jamming with 12bb's or less.

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Def. shove or fold from this position. Never raise folding from UTG with these stacks. I might consider a r/f if we are in the CO or BTN. Given the fact that everyone is so shallow, it really could go either way I think. We are in decent shape compared to the field, so I think a shove might be a little spewy, especially if we think we have a skill advantage on the field. I'd lean towards a fold, though I wouldn't be thrilled to dump a hand this strong 6 handed. 

 

I'd feel better about shoving 55+, broadways combos and A10+

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What are the blinds anyway 150/300/25? I don’t see it in the OP.

With 5 left to act I’m folding from UTG…from LP I’d consider shoving depending on the blinds fold to steal%. 

These tourneys play really shallow and you have an above avg stack here…there are better spots to increase it. I would choose to preserve my stack so I can use it to put max pressure on at the bubble.

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Thanks for all the advice guys

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