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$1/45man early/midgame transition strategy
kruupy
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December 8, 2012 - 8:14 am
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hi all, im a new member to TPE. I play $1, 45man SNGs on stars starting stack is 1500.

In the early game i strickly play my premiums as well as min-raising pocket pairs for value if i hit a set. Occasionally ill limp mid-high suited connectors in late position if the table is fairly passive and i think i am likely to be able to see a flop.

So following this strategy i end up in some middle stages with 2000-2500, which im comfortable with however, there is a large percentage of the time where  i havent managed to hit/get anything and im in the middles stages (25-30ppl remaining, blinds 25/50 or 50/100)  with a stack size of around 1000-1200. This is usually shove time isnt it? – what range are we shoving and what spots shoud I  be looking for? – can anyone recommend some videos to help?

I just find myself in this situation around 70% of the time, and so I figured its pretty important for my game to figure out what I should be doing. Should I be playing a bit risker to avoid this kind of situation? – or is it an enivitable for proper early game play?

Cheers all and thanks for your help
Kruupy.

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Hi Kruppy, Welcome to TPE!

 

I used to grind these a tone and have had some good success 30% avg. ROI.

 

Firstly in the early phase I'd forget limping those suited connectors although I don't hate it when you start grinding 8+ tables at once you'll find it easier just to fold and will probably more +EV. Also, if your read is the table is passive wouldn't it be best to min raise your suited connectors? Anyway…

 

As you say the blinds catch up with you in the middle portion and you get to a 15BB stack quickly which you rightly say is time to get pushing. I'd recommend watching HITTHEPANDAs 180mans and 45 man vids. There awsome to get a general strategy for playing them. He does some live recordings and some HH reviews. 

 

Try and get hold of push/fold NASH chart. At those stakes if you follow that you'll gtd to have a +ROI. Exploiting the bubble, so 8 left, is a good time to shove super wide from HJ+. The push/fold chart will also help you understand how wide you can push blind on blind, and how much tighter you have to be in early position. At 4/5M It even starts to make you play those suited connectors again wink

 

Hope that helps a bit. PM me if you want any more of my views. GL!

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Hi,

Thanks for the tips, the warm welcome and best of all the reply to the post 🙂

Was also wondering, in the middle game if you have an average size stack should you be looking for the 50% pocket pair vs 2 overs situations?, or avoiding them and looking to use the stack to accumulate instead? – Ive been falling prey to these 50%ers that really seems to be demoralising me after I felt i could have made it to the money if I didnt get into that kind of situation.

I am really keen on getting my ROI up, i kinda feel that if I cant beat these things I really dont have much hope, its not really working for me at the moment.  I am keenon being able to grind SNGs to be able to support buyins for MTTs…..eventually…hopefully…..one day…maybe…..

Cheers,
Kruupy.

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So if you post specific hands people will be able to help. So next spot your not sure about stick it on the forum. Or if you can look back on HH of a tourny u know that’s happened and post it.

So it depends so much on different variables about ur should you b risking it question. For instance you wouldn’t want to call off your stack or large % with 33 in CO from an early shove. But you would shove 33 if folded to you. But you have to take your 50/50s most of the time in these, if you’ve lost a few don’t lose heart it just means you are due to win some and it all evens up in the end.

My general rule was I’d get it in with any pair 33+ with 10bbs or less.

I wouldn’t focus on avg. chip stacks either. Just work off BBs. 20BB+ is loads of chips in these. 10bb is plenty 5bb is short and you need to start gettin it in. So don’t check avg. size every 2 mins. You yo yo massively in these.

Also try shoving any two UTG with 5bb – It’s a dirty little trick. Because once more through the blinds you have no FE and have to go with marginal hands in BB due to odds. But again, it’s situation dependant as u don’t want to do that on the bubble, or when there’s 4 players left. And as my shove fold ranges became better I stopped using it.

Finally!…. To fund MTt buy-ins with $1 sngs, avg good for ROI for 45 man probably 15%…. That’s 15c profit per game. 10 games to fund a $1.1 MTt. Get good at these then progress to 180 man turbos, or build you roll
So u can move up stacks in 45 mans… The standard isn’t too different. It takes time tho!! 50-100 buy ins required for correct roll.

Keep practicing!! Load up 4 at a time and play them until all finished then load another 4 until u start to win then u can load more and more up.

Gl dude

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