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January 29, 2014 - 7:20 pm
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My raise from co so far has been 31%, vs him(okay winning reg) I have played 63 hands and he has folded to my cbets 0% of the time, we have had a 3b/4b battle already when I 3b his utg1 open and he jammed 25 bigs into me. Has not seen my get totally out of line and I have shown down solid hands so far. For example I opened the co AQo flop comes KQJ he checks, I bet, snapcalls, turn 7 I ch back, river K I call down a small bet(shows k7). Also his fold to turn cbet was 0% over the small sample size. (Has 3b once on the co and once on the btn vs late pos raisers(me), so in this spot I would expect him to raise all of his strong value range preflop).

 

Poker Stars $10.00+$2.50+$1.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2500/t5000 Blinds + t625 – 7 players – View hand 2415390
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BTN: BB = 51.6, t257794
SB: BB = 24.4, t122062
BB: BB = 41.9, t209275
UTG: BB = 13.1, t65740
UTG+1: BB = 21.8, t109091
MP: BB = 66.2, t331084
Hero (CO): BB = 27.1, t135555

Pre Flop: (t11875) Hero is CO with 6 of hearts 6 of spades
3 folds, Hero raises to t10000, 2 folds, BB calls t5000

Flop: (t26875) 4 of spades 8 of hearts Q of hearts (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t12555, BB calls t12555

Turn: (t51985) A of clubs (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t25222, BB calls t25222

River: (t102429) J of clubs (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t87153 all in

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January 29, 2014 - 10:06 pm
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What is your intention with the river shove? Get him to fold an 8? This player has shown himself to be aggressive, so I'm not sure why we shove here. He is only calling with hands that beat us, and folding all the hands we beat anyhow when we just check it back. He's never calling with 55 here. I can't ever see him calling with some 4Xhh hand either. 

 

While the previous hands should be an indicator, you can't rely on them solely for a decision here. It's very likely in your 3b/4b battle he had the goods. The K7 hand is a bit of an oddball, but if he's in BB at that time as well, it's not that bad of a play assuming you are min raising for opens. In fact, he should be defending with hands like that when getting such an amazing price.

 

I guess I just don't like this. Much better spot to just check back river and see what he has here. The only better hand he has that folds is an 8. Which he should of folded on the turn.

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January 31, 2014 - 8:00 am
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Check the flop, you have showdown value no need to turn your hand into a bluff just yet.

 

I like the turn, A hits your range kinda hard so it's hard for villain to continue with 4x/8x

 

I like the river

Villain is going to need +-46% for a call vs your range. I like the fact that you are polarized. You would probably check behind alot of your showdownvalue hands and this river completes KT and T9 which increase your valuerange with alot of combo's. Besides that the runout of this board reduces alot your bluffs. I assume your valuerange is kinda big 72 combo's (sets, strong two pairs and straights). I expect villain to raise his sets, two pairs and strong Qx on the flop. He probably is going to call with A4/A8/AhJx and maybe QJ which are 26 combo's (QJs, AhJd, AhJs, Ad8h, Ad8s, Ah8d, Ah8s, As8d, Ac8s, Ad4h, Ad4c, Ah4d, Ah4c, As4h, As4c, QdJh, QdJs, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QcJd, QcJh, QcJs). With this callrange villain needs you to have +- 46 bluffcombo's in your range to make a BE call. Think it's kinda hard to find 46 bluffcombo's in your range. So he prob should fold even more, which makes the river shove better.

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I don't like the shove on the river at all.  It seems like unnecessary spewage.  Just check it back and take the pot if you are ahead or save your stack if you are beat. You are never ever getting value from a hand that you are ahead of but you are risking your entire tournament life.  The only hands that call us have us beat. Even if you check back and lose you still have plenty of chips left.

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pckrrr said:

Check the flop, you have showdown value no need to turn your hand into a bluff just yet.

 

I like the turn, A hits your range kinda hard so it's hard for villain to continue with 4x/8x

 

I like the river

Villain is going to need +-46% for a call vs your range. I like the fact that you are polarized. You would probably check behind alot of your showdownvalue hands and this river completes KT and T9 which increase your valuerange with alot of combo's. Besides that the runout of this board reduces alot your bluffs. I assume your valuerange is kinda big 72 combo's (sets, strong two pairs and straights). I expect villain to raise his sets, two pairs and strong Qx on the flop. He probably is going to call with A4/A8/AhJx and maybe QJ which are 26 combo's (QJs, AhJd, AhJs, Ad8h, Ad8s, Ah8d, Ah8s, As8d, Ac8s, Ad4h, Ad4c, Ah4d, Ah4c, As4h, As4c, QdJh, QdJs, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QcJd, QcJh, QcJs). With this callrange villain needs you to have +- 46 bluffcombo's in your range to make a BE call. Think it's kinda hard to find 46 bluffcombo's in your range. So he prob should fold even more, which makes the river shove better.

Ty, pretty much what I was thinking, but by checking the flop it would be harder for me to rep the draws that I am almost always betting and also my value hands.

For the next commenter:checking back this river we are beat like 95% of the time, so I do not think this is a viable option when taking a line like this, I disagree with the part that this is unnecessary spewage because against this villain, he is not very strong often on this river.

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This is a good spot to 3barrel, IMO. There are so many hands in your range that you can 3barrel for value here, and very few that he can c/c 3 streets with. I wasn't sure when I first saw it (I do think you're placing too much importance on the very small sample sizes and stats you have for this situation) but the more I think about it, the more it seems like a good spot. Nice hand.

FWIW, if we bet turn, we definitely have to bet this river. We just lose almost always if we check. We can maybe check some rivers that he's unlikely to fold on, but this one is too good.

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