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12/180 KQ utg shove
Lance Freeman
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July 12, 2010 - 10:28 am
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Standard right?

 

 

Poker Stars $11 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

vserg100 (BTN): BB = 4.1, t1225
forest566 (SB): BB = 18.8, t5630
bulldozer251 (BB): BB = 23.6, t7082
Freeman2008 (UTG): BB = 13.2, t3965
gucu23 (UTG+1): BB = 54.4, t16316
turnloose (MP1): BB = 34.2, t10250
lindsey78 (MP2): BB = 7.1, t2130
Blinkkie (CO): BB = 17.1, t5120

Pre Flop: (t650) Freeman2008 is UTG with Q[Image Can Not Be Found] K[Image Can Not Be Found]
Freeman2008 raises to t3940 all in, 6 folds, bulldozer251 calls t3640

Flop: (t8230) J[Image Can Not Be Found] 8[Image Can Not Be Found] T[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t8230) 3[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t8230) 7[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)

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July 12, 2010 - 10:56 am
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Another close one but I say yes.  The better question is for a pro how many BBs should we have here to make this a fold, 20+?

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July 12, 2010 - 2:29 pm
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I think you can let it go at 13/UTG.  Not sure though

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July 12, 2010 - 2:44 pm
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Not sure how much my opinion counts here, but when it comes to UTG shoving I still prefer to have something backing it up in the event someone gets spunky and decides to see if I am making a move. I have found in lower level SNG play that UTG (UTG+1) shoves when stack sizes get to the <20BB marker don’t garner a ton of respect so I prefer to leverage position as best I can to make successful shoves. Having to wait for the entire field to make a decision when you shove from there can be agonizing.

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July 12, 2010 - 2:46 pm
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Marginal spot IMO. I fold and would rather jam my next button than jam KQo UTG for 13 bigs.

Do people think that’s playing too tight? I don’t see us getting all the way through often enough and we’re never being called by a worse hand.

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July 12, 2010 - 4:15 pm
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with an M of 6 I’d much rather shove KQo than a marginal ace.  Again, I think this is super close and I’m no cEV expert, but I think it’s a shove because it plays better vs people’s calling ranges.

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July 12, 2010 - 4:39 pm
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definitely a shove.  people not calling wide enough in these low stakes MTT. unless you run into one of the regs from rainman poker.

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July 12, 2010 - 6:51 pm
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As the BB what’s your calling range here?

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I thought this was standard and im pretty sure most 12/180 regs snap shove this, ive just been running insanelyyyyyyyyyyyy bad lately im 2nd guessing myself everytime… my calling range from bb is AQ+ and 99+.  Im taking a break from online poker for a week or so b/c ive lost like half my BR :(, i wake up positive every morning thinking today is the day i turn this shit around and crush something and dont run bad but of course after loosing a few 70/30s 80/20s 60/40s and lose basically every coinflip i get into its kinda hard not to get discouraged and think its never going to end…. and im not exaggerating or whining, ive been through downswings before but nothing this bad and this brutal.

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July 12, 2010 - 11:06 pm
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I thought this was standard and im pretty sure most 12/180 regs snap shove this, ive just been running insanelyyyyyyyyyyyy bad lately im 2nd guessing myself everytime… my calling range from bb is AQ+ and 99+.  Im taking a break from online poker for a week or so b/c ive lost like half my BR :(, i wake up positive every morning thinking today is the day i turn this shit around and crush something and dont run bad but of course after loosing a few 70/30s 80/20s 60/40s and lose basically every coinflip i get into its kinda hard not to get discouraged and think its never going to end…. and im not exaggerating or whining, ive been through downswings before but nothing this bad and this brutal.

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July 14, 2010 - 2:35 pm
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had k-q shove at me a few times lost 1 with a-k off bb and another with 10-10 sb seens to play well agaist what i might have

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July 14, 2010 - 5:04 pm
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Lance Freeman said:

I thought this was standard and im pretty sure most 12/180 regs snap shove this, ive just been running insanelyyyyyyyyyyyy bad lately im 2nd guessing myself everytime… my calling range from bb is AQ+ and 99+.  Im taking a break from online poker for a week or so b/c ive lost like half my BR :(, i wake up positive every morning thinking today is the day i turn this shit around and crush something and dont run bad but of course after loosing a few 70/30s 80/20s 60/40s and lose basically every coinflip i get into its kinda hard not to get discouraged and think its never going to end…. and im not exaggerating or whining, ive been through downswings before but nothing this bad and this brutal.


 

+1. Same here, man. Run better.

I’ve been beating 100 NL on Absolute and getting rakeback to recoup all mtt buy-ins so I’m staying break even this way but I’m getting murdered by beats in mid to late stages of every mtt lately :/

My downswing has been about 250 mtt’s now and I analyze my bust hands and all appears normal and I’m never getting too low, so I guess that’s the encouraging part.

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July 14, 2010 - 5:10 pm
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FkCoolers said:

Lance Freeman said:

I thought this was standard and im pretty sure most 12/180 regs snap shove this, ive just been running insanelyyyyyyyyyyyy bad lately im 2nd guessing myself everytime… my calling range from bb is AQ+ and 99+.  Im taking a break from online poker for a week or so b/c ive lost like half my BR :(, i wake up positive every morning thinking today is the day i turn this shit around and crush something and dont run bad but of course after loosing a few 70/30s 80/20s 60/40s and lose basically every coinflip i get into its kinda hard not to get discouraged and think its never going to end…. and im not exaggerating or whining, ive been through downswings before but nothing this bad and this brutal.


 
+1. Same here, man. Run better.

I’ve been beating 100 NL on Absolute and getting rakeback to recoup all mtt buy-ins so I’m staying break even this way but I’m getting murdered by beats in mid to late stages of every mtt lately :/

My downswing has been about 250 mtt’s now and I analyze my bust hands and all appears normal and I’m never getting too low, so I guess that’s the encouraging part.


 What 100nl are u playing? FR, 6m or HU?

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July 14, 2010 - 5:18 pm
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6 Max. My HU game isn’t developed enough and FR is too nitty. Absolute Poker has some of the softer cash games online and you also get 30% rb from affiliates.

The players seem a lot more stationy on AP and there’s hardly any 3 betting pre-flop. Very exploitable and I plan on shifting more money there and balancing my poker between cash and mtt’s because this is too good of a chance to pass up.

Need to check out how PLO plays there. Mostly likely very soft.

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July 14, 2010 - 6:29 pm
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Spot is pretty marginal IMO, but I shove here pretty much every time.  Half the hands that call you are flips, then you have some equity against the ones that have you crushed.  Fold equity makes it a push I would say.  Join the club in running terrible in these btw.  Mega sick downswing myself.  But in the end these are pretty soft so just keep trucking.

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shove is definitely +EV. KJo is not so it certainly is close.

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