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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 517778526 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 517778526 ***** $15/$30 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #69959274 $4.50 + $0.50 - Table #12 9 Max (Real Money) Seat 7 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: wasea666 ( $6,114 ) Seat 2: GrigoryS ( $4,765 ) Seat 3: Katuz71 ( $6,196 ) Seat 4: Pandodor ( $4,657 ) Seat 5: WoozyMoose ( $4,238 ) Seat 6: pablopinam ( $4,791 ) Seat 7: MyTimeIsN0w ( $4,844 ) Seat 9: budi10000 ( $4,300 ) Seat 10: london_ace ( $5,095 ) budi10000 posts small blind [$15] london_ace posts big blind [$30] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ 6c, 6s ] wasea666 calls [$30] GrigoryS raises [$120] Katuz71 folds Pandodor folds WoozyMoose folds pablopinam folds MyTimeIsN0w folds budi10000 folds london_ace calls [$90] wasea666 calls [$90] ** Dealing flop ** [ 8, 8
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I decided to check river because i think we do have some STD, though this hand is really at the bottom of my range otr which makes me
wanna turn my hand into a bluff.
Villians range looks pretty weak as well tbf , i mean he surely would bet their monsters i.e flushes ott, he could quite possibly check back trips 8x (since thats
marginal hand on this runout) i also dont think there's going to be too many 8x in their range since they've raised from EP. so their range may consist of hand slike
A9s/77/TT/JJ...Which i'm pretty sure we can get to fold if we bet the river big.
thoughts on this?
February 20, 2015
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I would have folded on the flop. A player is left to act and likely to check raise with a flush draw if he has one. I'd consider donk-leading as well but would love opinions on this.
As played, I would check/fold the river. The only hand you beat that folds if you bet is 77. I don't see 66 working as a bluff catcher either.
September 14, 2014
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I agree, though i dont like the idea of donk leading with a made hand , id much rather lead here with Qheart:J
, we're not really going to get folds by worse hands here. Yeah We may get hands like KQ/kJ to fold , though these type of hands are only improving 24% of the time wanyway , that's not that often as u may think. I like checking flop then perhaps leading turn if anything (for value)
By checking flop we gather more information about our opponents hand, playing OOP with a marginal hand is difficult so by leading out here otf we will just be building a pot oop and may put us in some tough spots on future streets.
November 18, 2013
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Betting the river makes sense to me. This is such a scary board with straight, flushes, and trips all in your range. It's hard for him to call with a one-pair hand. You lose sometimes to a heart, but you probably fold him off any pairs and all his pars are better than yours. When you bet 1/2 pot, you only need to succeeed 33% of the time and I think you do better than that.
February 20, 2015
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A recent Thinking Poker podcast talks a lot about donk-leading. I'm not using that to defend my last post. I am saying that it's worth a listen because there's value in it, although like anything there's a lot of negative EV if misapplied. Andrew provides examples of where donk leads do and don't make sense and why.
January 20, 2014
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I would have lead the river for about 2/5 pot. I think you take it down a lot here.
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December 6, 2012
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Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. As played, yes it's a weak hand and I guess you might as well bluff with it but better just not to get to the river with it in the first place.
November 24, 2013
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Foucault said:
Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. As played, yes it's a weak hand and I guess you might as well bluff with it but better just not to get to the river with it in the first place.
That's interesting, why do advocate a fold pf here? Yes, it was large 4 BB raise and hero is OOP, but gets great set odds 160 BB deep. Ok, UTG could still raise but that's not gonna happen very often. Tbh, I think folding flop is a bit marginal too, since hero is not unlikely to have the best hand here, but I realize with being OOP, a drawy board and a 3rd guy in the pot it's not gonna play great.
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December 6, 2012
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Fire said:
Foucault said:
Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. As played, yes it's a weak hand and I guess you might as well bluff with it but better just not to get to the river with it in the first place.
That's interesting, why do advocate a fold pf here? Yes, it was large 4 BB raise and hero is OOP, but gets great set odds 160 BB deep. Ok, UTG could still raise but that's not gonna happen very often. Tbh, I think folding flop is a bit marginal too, since hero is not unlikely to have the best hand here, but I realize with being OOP, a drawy board and a 3rd guy in the pot it's not gonna play great.
Just because effective stacks are 160BB doesn't mean you will get 160BB into the pot with any regularity when you flop a set…
November 24, 2013
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Foucault said:
Fire said:
Foucault said:
Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. As played, yes it's a weak hand and I guess you might as well bluff with it but better just not to get to the river with it in the first place.
That's interesting, why do advocate a fold pf here? Yes, it was large 4 BB raise and hero is OOP, but gets great set odds 160 BB deep. Ok, UTG could still raise but that's not gonna happen very often. Tbh, I think folding flop is a bit marginal too, since hero is not unlikely to have the best hand here, but I realize with being OOP, a drawy board and a 3rd guy in the pot it's not gonna play great.
Just because effective stacks are 160BB doesn't mean you will get 160BB into the pot with any regularity when you flop a set…
Of course not, in most cases not even 30 BB, but it happens. Good article, but I think I was aware of most of that. The thing is though, particularly at small stakes and early stages, you just see it so many times that people are brutally overplaying any overpair or even TPTK-type of hands that it happens again and again you can stack them also for 150 BB+. It's a major leak many have that can be exploited. Hell, quite a few players are probably not even aware that it's 160 BB, they just go by the amount of chips.
What is the worst pair you would call/raise a 4 BB pf raise against an unknown? Or a 3 BB raise?
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