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12 or 13 left JTo vs HJ raise - shove/fold?
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August 3, 2010 - 7:14 pm
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Villain was 19/16 over 31 hands, 100% fold to 3bet (2/2) and 75% (3/4) attempt to steal so I thought this was the perfect spot to shove and put maximum pressure on so close to the final table (12 or 13 left). What do you guys think? Do we have to worry about the BB???

 

Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 6 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

BTN: BB = 29.0, t23209
hero (SB): BB = 39.4, t31534
BB: BB = 19.3, t15400
UTG: BB = 36.6, t29319
MP: BB = 17.4, t13882
CO: BB = 7.7, t6192

Pre Flop: (t1650) hero is SB with J of clubs T of diamonds
1 fold, MP raises to t1870, 2 folds, hero ???

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August 3, 2010 - 7:48 pm
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I would never shove here to put pressure on. If he calls u are dominated and if he folds you only pick up 3000 chips. High risk/low reward.

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I fold this we have a good stack size and he is in MP with a shorty left to act after him  I doubt he is opening light.

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he shouldn't be opening that wide with his stack size, and should also not be raise folding a lot here, so fold and look for a better spot.

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Ya you really have to think with his stack size he really isn't opening here very light.  He should be always raise/calling a shove with his stack size.  If he had 22+bbs I think your shove here would be more effective then it is against his 17bb stack but at the same time he shouldn't be raising super light here as he has to raise/call the short stack even with a 22+bb stack.  I like your line of thinking about applying pressure, and attacking weak openers, especially close to the final table bubble.

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August 4, 2010 - 11:36 am
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Yeah, I fold here. If he was deeper I 3 bet and fold to a shove since he's 2 for 2 in laydowns.

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bubble pressure is definitely a good strategy but not in this spot with this hand so fold for sure. the other thing that caught my eye was the title of your post 12 or 13 left just remember that top 3 finishes are key in tourney poker so dont let the idea of cashing a tourney get in the way of winning a tourney. il use some false numbers to give you an example, if a ten dollar tourney on ap/ub gets 180 people it will pay 18 spots, 18th will pay say $17 tenth will pay something like $25 and first ultimately being like $375 once the bubble bursts the difference between 18th and tenth is $8 so my way of thinking here is im gambling $8 to put myself into posistion to win $375 and you have already secured your buyin back plus return on investment of $7 minus rake of $1 so you are up $6 on this tourney and your only takeing an $8 gamble to build a stack that can allow you to take the tourney down ive seen so many players have like 2 of 14 status or 3 of 14 and and tighten up just to make the final table and when they do there like 7 of 9 or 8 of 9 and along the way giving up spots just to move up spots. i like the winners mentality and the only time id skew from this is obv in major tourneys where pay jumps are huge perfect example is wein second sunday million ft but the skill lies in exploiting the pay jumps. watch weins four part video and pay close attention to his thinking on this matter

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August 5, 2010 - 1:40 am
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ya im folding here ,

mistergj
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ttwist you're absolutely right about aiming for the Top 3 spots in a tournament and not passing up opportunities to increase my chipstack close to the FT, which is why I thought a shove in this spot might be okay. I would never let the idea of cashing a tourney get in the way of winning it – the reason I put in 12 or 13 left is that by having a big stack on the final table bubble I thought I might be able to abuse the situation (original raiser might want to make the final table?) and increase my chip stack – so basically doing what you're advising and not doing what you advise against! 🙂

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