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June 25, 2010
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Just wondering if this is a standard call or not. Was talking with another TPE'r at the time and we thought it was probably correct, but seem slightly marginal. I like it more when I think about it, just wanted to hear what everyone has to say. 12 people were left at the time.
Poker Stars $11 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 – 6 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
WiFeHiDeR (UTG): BB = 8.2, t13170
AlbatrossJR (MP): BB = 9.7, t15545
BonoBG (CO): BB = 3.8, t6003
Castello669 (BTN): BB = 1.3, t2140
expostulate (SB): BB = 35.5, t56735
jshilling09 (BB): BB = 11.1, t17835
Pre Flop: (t3300) jshilling09 is BB with 8[Image Can Not Be Found] 8[Image Can Not Be Found]
WiFeHiDeR raises to t13020 all in, 4 folds, jshilling09 calls t11420
Flop: (t27740) K[Image Can Not Be Found] 4[Image Can Not Be Found] T[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t27740) K[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t27740) 5[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)
its almost for all your chips, Im a bit on the tight side, so Id say at best you are on a coin flip….so It depends if that is good enough for you…Also HM should tell you if he is a nit or not…
I like to think you need a lot stronger hand to call a raise, then one to raise yourself, but often especially online ppl are whatever. A supernova dude a week ago, call my ALL IN preflop for half of his ships with 79o, i had 78s…and he goes “u were dominated”…thats never me calling raises that light…
Having said that 88 there cant be too bad
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March 17, 2010
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It’s close. I’d definitely call with 99. In this case I think he’s shoving all pairs so there are 6 you dominate and 6 that dominate you. Plus all his broadway and weak aces. GIven the overlay and presences of weak aces I think it’s a call.
Have you tried pokerstoving it? It’s basically a math question here.
I agree with RFB, its very close. If he is any good he will be pushing wide and 88 plays well against a perceived range for his shove. I plugged it into pokerstove, and gave him a range of 30% of hands, 88 has about 58% equity here. I think we have to get it in.
At this stage of the SNG my move depends entirely on what my table is like. If everyone has tightened up for the final table bubble (which seems to happen a lot in these things), then I definitely fold here. If everyone is tight then I will have added fold equity, making it easier for me to shove and take down lots of juicy pots.
On the other hand, if most of the table is playing correctly, and shoves are coming from a bunch of player frequently, then I call here and hope to win a flip.
If UTG is an average player then I would call his shove w 77+ plus AJs+ AQo+
i think its a call all day long. he has 8BB UTG, he has nil fold equity next hand – his range is wide. Unless you have a read that he’s playing ultra NIT, call it.
With that said looks like you were lieing 3rd or 4th in the tourny with some seriously small stacks, so folding and waiting for better push spots nearing the final table bubble with weaker hands is also a good play.
July 3, 2010
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dawhiteninja said:
With that said looks like you were lieing 3rd or 4th in the tourny with some seriously small stacks, so folding and waiting for better push spots nearing the final table bubble with weaker hands is also a good play.
This is what makes me lean towards a fold. Don’t flip… bully the remaining shorties on the FT bubble and preserve the bubble as long as you can to chip up against people looking to jump the pay scale.
IMO – I’ve come to the conclusion that unless you have a read, if you want to win the tourny then its a call.
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June 25, 2010
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Thanks everyone for the help
Yeah I mean the really equity in these lies in 1st and 2nd, so I am going to have to be all in and called at some point, having 30,000+ gives me around 20 bigs, which will let me wait for better spots during the final table, that being said, i think I could have bullied the remaining stacks enough to come to the final table with 20,000+ so it is pretty close I agree
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