August 4, 2013
well, i'm guessing if i limp ripped with a lot of chips it was player/game flow based decision. can't remember. some villains might snap call your shove with 44 or A9 but just flat your reraise because they are worried about running into a big hand. bottom line: QJ is a good hand and you have fold equity so shove is profitable.
March 8, 2015
I run ICM and with the calling range of V vs shove and hes range should by tight (JJ+, AQs+, AKo), so if u are planning to limp/shove to a raise QJo its not the best candidate to do this it would be better an Axs hand u block a lot of his range. If u want to limp light here I think u should defend to a raise by calling and clicking back also, like think about what tipe of hands are better to see a flop and what to click it back vs this V, or still shove? (then u have to balance them) But I think even if V deviates from GTO the A blocker it's important here.
Edits: I earlier post some shove range but it was bad I was doing other things earlier and I forget to change the stack sizes
August 25, 2014
I don't understand why raising to fold to a 3bet or 4bet shove over a 3bet are not better options? If you get 3bet and they call your 4bet as wide as you think, then why not open fewer hands or just 4bet all in lighter for value and as a bluff with hands that do well vs a calling range?
Risking 25bb to win 5bb seems far too risky for me and QJo doesnt play great vs a calling range (29% v AQo, AJs, 99+).
You have no chance of winning without showdown pre if you limp which isn't great. Which is why people risk 2bb as it doesn't need to work that often to be +ev and puts more pressure on villains.
Also, from a balance perspective, you will surely want to raise first in with value hands and not just have a limp-shoving range?
I respect the lateral, creative thinking but I think in this hand, with these stacks, it isn't great for the reasons above.
December 11, 2013
Haven't read the other replies really but here is my 2 cents:
In general I don't think limping QJ is terrible here, but to have the plan of limp/shoving I def prefer to know more about how our opponent's are playing. Vs unknowns I would prefer to just raise/fold. Yes, if you are opening a very wide range here it is pretty easy to be exploited and hard to defend that opening range- so I think the adjustment to make is to just not open quite as wide. IMO if you're opening QJ here that doesn't necessarily mean youre opening way too wide for the spot, esp. if this is just near the bottom of your opening range.
Having said this, I think limp/calling is also a pretty reasonable option whenever sb raises, since you will be in position with a hand that plays fairly well post vs. a confused villain (assuming a random villain is not going to have an easy time ranging your limp/call). Furthermore the fact that BB is sitting out is reason enough on its own to induce sb to raise wider than normal here, so your range should be much stronger than villain's IMO. In this exact spot I could even see limp/3bet/folding being a pretty reasonable option as the 3b looks super strong and I think it's hard from most opponents to rebluff pre, however I prefer limp/calling. One final option that I don't think anyone has suggested yet is to just open shove, which I think gets a lot better if this is post ante. running a basic HRC sim shows that open shoving QJo here (assuming we are post ante) is +0.12bb EV, assuming BTN and SB get in GTO ranges. If we adujst their ranges to be more reasonable get in ranges for real world, then our profit becomes +0.46. This factors in the dead BB.
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