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May 6, 2013
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Question: How much do you 3b here? If I 3b to like 1k here, then that would look so incredibly strong, so I thought I would just shipp it in to make it look weaker, all thoughts are welcome.
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 7 players – View hand 2256833
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BTN): t3005 30.05 BBs
SB: t1898 18.98 BBs
BB: t2268 22.68 BBs
UTG: t9300 93 BBs
UTG+1: t4941 49.41 BBs
MP: t4575 45.75 BBs
CO: t2900 29 BBs
Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN with K
K
2 folds, MP raises to t300, CO calls t300, Hero raises to t3005 all in
September 13, 2012
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I Think the ship is overkill. I would 3 bet in between 825-900. If it was me i would make it 855. it give the opp some Fold equity.
August 23, 2012
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^^ It only looks strong if you never 3b bluff.
October 6, 2010
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just looks like an iso to me if you make it 850 here.
one thing i picked up recently, cant remember where, might have been in an andrew brokos vid i think is to try and let your opponents make as many mistakes as possible. by jamming here you are letting them play pretty perfectly by only calling with a hand that does well against your range.
if you make it 850 here, you can get them to call incorrectly, or maybe even spazz out
May 6, 2013
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Yeah I messed up this hand, definetly agree with 3betting to around 850-900. After Vegas my game has deteriorated so much, god. Ty for the replies.
July 7, 2012
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I dont mind the jam, especially in an $11 buyin as you will often get a customer. Presuming this is pre-ante there is 750chips in the middle and looks like a great resteal spot from the BTN. How many times have you seen someone flat a raise, then call off a 3bet jam with 66 or JQs when the original raiser has folded? Plenty of times. I think the jam is fine, but probably works best once the antes are in play therefore it looks more like a a resteal. Pre-ante I like the 3bet to 850-950ish range.
February 3, 2013
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agree to everyone. My 3bet size would be 850 too, or maybe 888 😀
June 4, 2013
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A ship here polarizes their decsion-making. You'll get paid off with QQ, AK and possible suited AQ and AJ if the board holds up, but by a 3bet you could get lower pairs to come along, and with the above range you could get a reship with AK and QQ anyway. A 3bet improves your potential value and mimics the same response as a ship with hands you beat preflop anyway.
February 2, 2013
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If we three bet to 850ish, how do we go forward if we get flatted by one or both players. Are we jamming any non ace flop?
March 8, 2013
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No offense, but if we make it 900 and then he shoves, we will be calling 2105 into 4355, which is better than 2 to 1. I mean, sure, it's a $11 tourney, but I don't think either opponent will think you are planning to fold getting those odds. I shove here all day.
March 21, 2013
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markconkle said:
No offense, but if we make it 900 and then he shoves, we will be calling 2105 into 4355, which is better than 2 to 1. I mean, sure, it's a $11 tourney, but I don't think either opponent will think you are planning to fold getting those odds. I shove here all day.
Would you ever have a 3b/fold range with 30bb stacks? by jamming you'd force your opponent to play perfectly against you while if you 3b smaller you can induce action. it also setups the possibility of 3b/folding in later situations whereas if you only have a value jam range and a 3b/fold range your plays will become pretty transparant after just a few 3bets.
October 6, 2010
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being able to have a 3bet fold range here is pretty profitable, becasuse it means you can both get folds more often, and also induce action when you have big hands
March 8, 2013
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Good points. I can see a 3bet/call of 820 here, and also have a 3bet/fold range, but not to 900. Also, I definitely have a much larger 3bet/call and 3bet/fold range with 30BB if the OR doesn't 3x it.
July 3, 2010
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3b/f sizing should be more like 745.
3b/f @ 900 seems fairly horrible although I'd advocate not even trying a 3b as a bluff in this spot because you're almost always getting flatted in one spot if not seeing more action than that …
Also, 3b looks stronger than a jam pre-antes in this spot.
May 30, 2012
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You all made good points. Coolers is da man. I'm 3betting here, hoping to induce and getting it in vs anyone's wackiness. I'm getting value+ out of the KK's. I can't see ever folding to anyone's 4bet. But I do think some moh-moh's will ship it after you 3bet, even more so in $5 and under micro's……..
October 6, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
3b/f sizing should be more like 745.
3b/f @ 900 seems fairly horrible although I'd advocate not even trying a 3b as a bluff in this spot because you're almost always getting flatted in one spot if not seeing more action than that …
Also, 3b looks stronger than a jam pre-antes in this spot.
do people not squeeze very often on the US sites anymore? also not entirely sure why 750 would be fine but 900 horrible.
June 1, 2012
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Just use a standard 3bet size then you dont have to worry.
July 3, 2010
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bennymacca said:
FkCoolers said:
3b/f sizing should be more like 745.
3b/f @ 900 seems fairly horrible although I'd advocate not even trying a 3b as a bluff in this spot because you're almost always getting flatted in one spot if not seeing more action than that …
Also, 3b looks stronger than a jam pre-antes in this spot.
do people not squeeze very often on the US sites anymore? also not entirely sure why 750 would be fine but 900 horrible.
Light squeezing pre-antes 30 bb effective in a $10 mtt?
Seems optimistic thinking without stats backing it up is all I'm saying.
October 6, 2010
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you are probably right.
i guess it comes down to whether people are going to flat worse hands that might not call a jam etc, and the relative values we get, because if we jam we obv get max value from that part of the calling range.
i.e with 99, he might flat a 3bet, but also might call off a jam, so vs that hand jamming is better. but if villain will flat QJ and stack off then 3betting is better
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