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109 freeze stars: What you think about the flop over shove?
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November 8, 2010 - 3:32 pm
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My reasoning was that both villains had perfect stacks 2 shove over a normal sized c bet with hands that has quite

good equity against us, but that they would fold 2 a shove….

or am i just getting hands like KJ with the king of hearts that we have crushed tu fold?

 

Poker Stars $100 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 8 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

AlexanderT (MP2): BB = 18.2, t14596

MrDennyCrane (CO): BB = 21.3, t17064

LIKVIDKIRILL (BTN): BB = 22.3, t17848

WhatArunAA (SB): BB = 11.5, t9184

SHOGUN1000 (BB): BB = 16.4, t13084

RaPiDRabBBiT (UTG): BB = 14.7, t11742

tucci 007 (UTG+1): BB = 15.7, t12576

Hero (MP1): BB = 26.3, t21055

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is MP1 with A of hearts J of diamonds

2 folds, Hero raises to t1750, AlexanderT calls t1750, 3 folds, SHOGUN1000 calls t950

Flop: (t6250) 3 of hearts 7 of hearts 6 of hearts (3 players)

SHOGUN1000 checks, Hero bets t12000,

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If you bet like 1/3 your remaining stack you could get a weaker heart to potentially come along… if someone coolered you they're calling your shove so I think you have it right that you probably fold out those Qhx and Khx type hands a lot of the time when you jam.

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i knida like checking back, cause betting will induce a lot of choves and put us in a weird spot where we have to call, but are really never in great shape.  I think over-bet shoving is the worst option for the reasons you state, you are only getting called by hands that have you in somewhat bad shape.  Bet calling like coolers said is pretty solid, as he will jam KhQx KhJx etc….  It's a higher variance play, but I think it's way more +ev than open shoving.  If you check back, you can call lots of turns, and bluff lots of rivers when you miss, because it makes it look like AA, KK, QQ no hearts when you take the raise, check back, call turn, bet river when check to assuming the board texture doesn't change dramatically.  Obv. if hearts fall you're golden so I think that line is a pretty good alternative.  Idk i think it's close between that line and bet calling shoves/ bet jamming turns, i would only bet 3k on flop though, because it gives you much more FE on a turn shove.

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