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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 695038500 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 695038500 ***** $250/$500 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #68804125 $1.15 + $0.15 - Table #35 9 Max (Real Money) Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 8 Seat 1: Papalito83 ( $13,170 ) Seat 2: y19213 ( $29,365 ) Seat 3: SC2018 ( $12,740 ) Seat 5: thedaddy14 ( $14,552 ) Seat 6: dannylized ( $7,010 ) Seat 7: london_ace ( $28,683 ) Seat 9: 11legend ( $6,670 ) Seat 10: NIKSTAR1 ( $21,564 ) 11legend posts ante [$60] NIKSTAR1 posts ante [$60] Papalito83 posts ante [$60] thedaddy14 posts ante [$60] dannylized posts ante [$60] london_ace posts ante [$60] y19213 posts ante [$60] SC2018 posts ante [$60] dannylized posts small blind [$250] london_ace posts big blind [$500] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ 7, T
] 11legend folds NIKSTAR1 folds Papalito83 folds y19213 calls [$500] SC2018 folds thedaddy14 folds dannylized folds london_ace checks ** Dealing flop ** [ 3
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no reads.
I usually tend to check here with most of my range whether thats a hand like 33 T
This time round i decided to lead, so i can get value from Ax Kx, There's just going to be a lot of bad turn cards for our hand so i'd
rather bet now for thin value/protection.
I'm just not sure though if it would be better to play my hand as a bluff catcher or if i should play it as a value hand? if villian bets flop
though and if the turn is Kand river is 9
and villian fires those 3 streets im gunna have a hard time calling, unless i think
his bluffing frequency is really high, then yeah perhaps i'd call.
thoughts please?
Cheers.
November 24, 2013
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I think they are pretty close. HUD stats are often useful here to get an idea about villain's limping range and aggression. If villain fires three streets I think its pretty safe that you are beat, in fact unimproved and without reads I would probably fold to two barrels since your hand is not that strong.
February 1, 2013
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pretty standard C/C Flop for me….. see what T brings…. if it brings a scare card am pretty happy C/F Turn. but really what is a scare card on the T that hits V limping pre range? So for me I still find myself stationing of the Turn a lot here….. if he barrells R too then I'm really happy with the give up.
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September 14, 2014
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mehh , whats the benefits of c/c here though? at least if we lead out we can get folds by hands like KQ/KJ/JT/AQ/AK and stuff like that , those hands have decent equity vs our hand so there's a lot of merit in betting flop rather then checking imo and if v checks back flop we can bet most turns and re-evalute river. Probably worse turn cards are anything higher then a T.
against an aggressive opponent which line would u guys take? if we lead and villian raises are we calling and re-evaluating turn?
February 1, 2013
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Why do we want V to fold those hands? We are beating all those hands and therefore we want him to bet those bluffs. We cannot be scared of him hitting 6 outs. Plus any T+ is not really a scare card imo as surely they don't limp pre. Also a T gives us 2 pr so that's a pretty good card for us.
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September 14, 2014
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lol oo yeah the T does imrpove our hand , blimey i never even realised!
yeah i was thinking that we would want villian to bluff with those hands , though i still think betting has a lot of merit, getting those hands to fold is good for us. We defintely should have a leading range here so to speak , with which hands are you leading here? again i dont think leading here with our hand is bad it may be rather thin , but there's still value in betting even if we get those hands to fold!
February 1, 2013
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Think I like leading a very polarised range soooo all my wiffed hands and all my nutted hands sets/2prs
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January 16, 2015
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I don't think there are many safe assumptions about limping ranges in the micros. There are so many habitual limpers that it just doesn't signify much.
I prefer to bet out and try to take it down right here. It's very standard in the micros to limp mid-premiums and my intention of betting out is to not let those hands realize their equity.
Our hand only gets worse the more cards we see.
I feel like whether I bet/call or check/call my hand is equally transparent and think I'm more likely to win this hand now by betting than trying to check-call to showdown.
I'm going to get bluffed off of this hand frequently to repeated aggression and to be honest I'm far happier with that outcome than calling to the river with a pair of sevens and losing a large pot.
My line would be:
Bet/call
check/call or fold
check/call or fold
These sorts of spots seem to get me into trouble a lot. I find it easy to get stubborn with a marginal hand in the big blind and lose a lot of chips here as a consequence.
February 1, 2013
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I simply don't see the reason behind wanting to “take it down here”. If we say that any card <=T is good for us an dnot a scare not and any =>J is a scare card there are far more good cards for us than bad. So taking it down here it's simply too scared poker imo. If we're confident that we have the best hand here we should not be scared of V hitting 6 outs. If we lead here with this marginal hand and we get called, where are we then? I think C/C and proceed with caution is by far the best line.
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January 16, 2015
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It's not obvious to me than any card ten and under is strictly good for us. Sure, we pick up some draws, but I don't think it's safe to assume that the card isn't also good for our opponent. We are going to be in a very ambiguous spot throughout the hand, and the decision to bet potentially wins the hand as well as reduces the ambiguity of our position.
May 4, 2015
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This hand seems worth one street of value on most runouts. You aren't likely to be called by worse more than once. Your best chance to get a bet called is here on the flop, where overcards, diamond draws, straight draws and smaller pairs may call. A good portion of hands that would call do have strong equity here though, like a draw with overcards. For example 8
5 has 45%, J8 has 51%. Leading out of position looks strong, and your opponents will often be able to put you on top pair and not make many calling mistakes here. So I like checking and hoping our opponent will bluff to try and take down the flop or bet one of these worse hands.
My plan for the turn would be to bet out on brick cards under a 7 or cards that improve us. I wouldn't be scared to bet a diamond turn here as there's a decent chance your opponent would have bet a flush draw on the flop, and you can get called by worse hands with a single diamond on the turn. With an overcard on the turn, my plan would be to check and call most bets but fold to most river barrels.
September 14, 2014
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@jd
It seems that what your trying to say is only bet if you can get a call from a worse hand or a fold from a better one so in other words your leaving behind the conecpt of betting for protection which can cost you so many buy-ins when misapplied.
there are situations where betting for protection is appropriate , even if the bet will not get calls from worse hands or folds from better hands. The central consideration is whether the turn and river action is more likely to favor you or your opponent.
If your hand is vulnerable which in this hand it cleary is, your opponents are unlikely to bluff, or it would be difficult for someone to turn a second-best hand, then it is often worth betting simply to take down the pot and avoid giving a free card.
February 1, 2013
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@FAPY
Not sure that “betting for protection” is overly applicable in today’s game. I think it’s widely accepted that it’s ineffective. Hands that we want to protect against (in this example 6 outs from 2 overs) often call anyway so we don’t end up with any protection and end up bloating a pot when we have a marginal holding.
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January 28, 2013
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I play this hand as JD suggested: check/call and proceed with caution. This is actually one of the best flops for Tx as lower cards are not necessarily going to complete many straight draws and whilst overcards will make our hand weaker in absolute terms we should not be too worried about 6-outters.
@folding_aces_pre_yo – I don’t think not betting for protection costs you many buy-ins. Sure it may cost you some pots but you are never going to lose your buyin and bust when you do not bet.
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