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curious as to what you guys think about this line. i seem to struggle with this type of hand and really need to improve this part of my game. after eviewing it i think i missed a fre-flop 3bet and a value bet on turn, not too sure about my bet on river when flush makes it. what do you think?
Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30.00/t60.00 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Guyths (UTG+1): t4531.00 75.52 BBs
McStraddle (UTG+2): t4160.00 69.33 BBs
ToMP73 (MP1): t3331.00 55.52 BBs
reggietron52264 (MP2): t6345.00 105.75 BBs
lion132 (CO): t3850.00 64.17 BBs
Earjoose (BTN): t3910.00 65.17 BBs
Hero (SB): t4030.00 67.17 BBs
tford219 (BB): t3645.00 60.75 BBs
appatheflops (UTG): t3225.00 53.75 BBs
Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is SB with T
T
5 folds, lion132 raises to t172, 1 fold, Hero calls t142, 1 fold
Flop: (t404) 5 7 6
(2 players)
Hero checks, lion132 bets t269.00, Hero calls t269
Turn: (t942) T (2 players)
Hero checks, lion132 checks
River: (t942) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t628.00, lion132 calls t628
October 6, 2010
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i would be 3betting this pre to a CO open, something on the larger side given that you are OOP, something like 700.
yep i 3bet pre to LP raise also
bet flop, bet turn, and if called on both streets i'd check probably call river depending on sizing
is this not dependant on the villain's image tho?
Im still learning about 3-betting , but the way Im thinking is , if he has shown to be a TAG , wouldnt flatting in the SB be best? , due to the fact that we would be building a pot with TT oop against a tight player?
or are you saying to 3bet purely because it is a late position open , regardless of their image?
I can understand why we would do it against a loose player tho
October 6, 2010
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even TAGs will open wide form the cutoff or button. unless he is a complete nit that hasnt played a hand in 4 orbits i think we can always open for value.
of course if this was an UTG open, then its a lot different and then we should be flatting most players that aren't super crazy.
I dont 3bet pre
I lead the turn sometimes depending on villains stats
I like the river bet alot vs a thinking player that will take a free card on the turn with two high cards.
June 11, 2010
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I think you can go either way pre-flop with the 3bet. I tend to favor later in tourneys getting into the 3betting of LP opens from the Blinds because of the value of stealing and I shy away from it early, as the reward just isn't there. I think the check on the flop is fine, you know he is going to be his entire range there so you at least can keep him from bluff-raising by letting him c-bet as the aggressor. I think what changes here is that I would suggest re-raising the flop bet. We really need to deny him a card at his desired price given how gruesomely wet the texture is. I favor putting in a nice sized check/raise here and putting the nasty decision on him. If he jams on you I think you can easily get away from the hand, if he flats then it is certainly possible that he is on some sort of draw and with the T coming on the turn the situation in reality doesn't actually change the situation. You are still either way ahead (TP, or a set against his draw) or way behind (TP/set against his straight). I think you can lead out here on the turn and see how he responds.
Biggest things for me on this hand: Don't let the villian set the price with that wet of a texture, don't check the turn on as wet a board either, we aren't in a situation where we can afford to let a free card go off with the texture because our hand is vulnerable. The value bet on the river isn't bad if you think you are ahead, but given the way the hand played out I would be very concerned about getting raised, I would be more inclined to check/evaluate his actions. I don't fear a showndown here, but I think he can push us off the winner a lot with a raise here on the river, so I am not sure i like opening it up without some significant knowledge about the villain.
i thought about 3-betting pre, but i didn't want to commit a ton of chips because i assumed i would get flatted or re-raised with broadway hands and better pp. wanted to see what the flop brang, plus it disguised my hand. for whatever reason i didn't consider check raising the flop, i tend to make my move on turns, i was planning to check raise turn, although not sure of my play if he shoves, probably call a reasonable raise.
my bet on river was a desperation bet to get some value out of hand, and probably making crying call if he shoves. other than a c-bet he really hasn't shown strength and might shove with a queen or busted straight draw. i like the check raise on flop and see where i'm at and t charge the draws.
3betting and calling are both fine preflop, and you should be doing both some of the time. having hands as strong as TT in your defending range is a good thing as people probably percieve your flatting range to be capped at something like 77 or 88.
i don't like c/r on the flop at all. i could see leading out and think that's fine but if i check–which i'd do most of the time–it would be to c/c. i know there are draws, but we're headsup against a CO opener who just c-bet; he doesn't usually have a draw.
on the turn i feel similarly to the flop. i think i like leading mainly to keep him from checking back, which i would expect him to a lot. i'm not sure i like c/r on the turn. it builds a pot, but it also looks absurdly strong and about exactly what we have.
if we check and he bets the turn, i'd expect him to have a pretty big hand or nothing much at all. i'm not sure most players bet twice on this texture with medium-strength hands. that is to say that when he bets turn, i'd expect him to be betting the river most of the time. so, i think i'd c/c the turn with the intention of c/c or c/r the river.
when he checks back the turn i like the river lead. i might make it a bit bigger, though.
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