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July 12, 2013
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Online tournie $5 rebuy w add on.
14 left ITM
Blinds 2k/4k/400
Hero 83,920
Villain 96,057
Hero opens 9,999 UTG (10
10
)
Villain calls from CO
And a small small short stack calls. 1/2bb if pot seem odd.
(29,486)Flop 9 10
4
Hero x
Villain x
(29,486)Turn 3
Hero bets 10,999
Villain Calls
(49,684) River J
Hero bets 19,999 (Pot is 69,683)
Villain Jams 43,823 more effective.
FML!
So I’ve played w villain a bunch in this tournie almost right from the start. He’s never 3b me but he’s playing lots of pots against me IP and defending blind wide. Early on he made a 1.2x pot bet after I check flop to him. Other times he’s checked and made a couple 1/2 pot bets. 1 hand he checked flopped TP and I x/r turn and he flat called and x river behind w TP. Hasn’t gotten out of line or been hard to play against post flop. I haven’t led into him at all on flop. So since I’ve checked every flop to him here I thought the hand was way too strong to lead here. Hence the check. He checks behind. Blank turn now I’ll fire. He’s given up to some of my turn bets after checking flop in the past so I think he has everything but air… Draws 78, KQ, J10, J9, JQ and I’d take all monster hands out of his range when he calls. Seems weird that he’d check any straight draws on flop that came in on river though right? River… I decide to bet again target J10 J9 even though I puked when the river came… Should I bet here? Do I x/c? Who the hell knows… What is he raising with? Someone knows?
What do you think guys?
November 25, 2015
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I think you can include any suited jack combo. AJ clubs, KJcc. It is a really tough spot. I think x/c is better when the straight comes in for sure.
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December 6, 2012
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BattlePoker said
I think x/c is better when the straight comes in for sure.
Why?
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December 6, 2012
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I like the flop check, in part because stacks are shallow enough for you to get all the money in with two bets. You should size turn bet bigger to facilitate that though. I’d bet half pot turn and then shove river. As played I get why it feels gross but you’re getting awfully good odds and he could be overvaluing something or making a desperation bluff or whatever. You’re getting like 5:1, just call it off. I agree that the river action is puke-worthy, but I don’t think a J is such a bad card for you in general.
July 12, 2013
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Foucault said
I like the flop check, in part because stacks are shallow enough for you to get all the money in with two bets. You should size turn bet bigger to facilitate that though. I’d bet half pot turn and then shove river. As played I get why it feels gross but you’re getting awfully good odds and he could be overvaluing something or making a desperation bluff or whatever. You’re getting like 5:1, just call it off. I agree that the river action is puke-worthy, but I don’t think a J is such a bad card for you in general.
Thanks Andrew. Ya, I mean, the J def helps some of his pairs make 2 pair. This is a site up here in Canada that plays absolutely horrendous but I’ve spent the whole tournie at the table w this guy and he’s literally one of the few I’ve played w who seems competent. 98% of other V’s I never even ask this question cause they’re blasting tonnes worse… I guess the question is are there more straight combos that got there or 2 pair + sets (4’s and 9’s) + bluff combos (Feels like no bluffs)?
And also looks like 3.6/1 if it makes any difference which I really don’t think it does.
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December 6, 2012
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Oh I missed the “more” there, though he jammed 43K total. That definitely makes a difference. I think I’d still call.
The possibility I didn’t mention for turn is checking. I think that can be pretty good, as V will probably bet a lot of the hands that would call a bet anyway. I think bet bigger or check call are your options on the turn. It feels like you tried to split the difference by betting small, which isn’t usually good. If you’re going to slowplay, then slowplay. If you’re going to start building the pot, build it right.
July 12, 2013
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My thought on sizing was nothing more than targeting the bottom of his range. I didn’t think he x flop w draws and such.. So I’m targeting some PP’s and some 9’s and maybe some QJ KJ hands maybe he decided to check… Is this a mistake?
Also, I think he does actually x back a lot on the turn simply because I’ve seen him be aggressive enough on flops IP that it doesn’t seem like he’s gonna barrel turn w equity he had to already have on the flop. So when I barrel turn and he calls I’m actually really really surprised/confused.
November 25, 2015
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Foucault said
BattlePoker said
I think x/c is better when the straight comes in for sure.Why?
I’m a fish. Haha. That’s mainly why. I was thinking that if I were in this position, I’d make a crying call and if he has me beat, then GG, but I’m trying to improve and the check call just seems like much lower variance if he decides to get value from his straight rather than jamming. I don’t have any math to back this up, though.
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lapp3r30 said
My thought on sizing was nothing more than targeting the bottom of his range. I didn’t think he x flop w draws and such.. So I’m targeting some PP’s and some 9’s and maybe some QJ KJ hands maybe he decided to check… Is this a mistake?
Also, I think he does actually x back a lot on the turn simply because I’ve seen him be aggressive enough on flops IP that it doesn’t seem like he’s gonna barrel turn w equity he had to already have on the flop. So when I barrel turn and he calls I’m actually really really surprised/confused.
Those are three very different targets. I mean, the right bet size if you’re targeting a 9 may not be the same as the right bet size if you’re targeting a pocket pair, and if you’re targeting KJ checking is probably best. Given how strong your hand is, you ought to be aiming at the top of his range, not the bottom. It seems weird to say that you’re betting for value but are surprised when he calls. That, too, sounds like an argument for checking.
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December 6, 2012
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BattlePoker said
Foucault said
BattlePoker said
I think x/c is better when the straight comes in for sure.Why?
I’m a fish. Haha. That’s mainly why. I was thinking that if I were in this position, I’d make a crying call and if he has me beat, then GG, but I’m trying to improve and the check call just seems like much lower variance if he decides to get value from his straight rather than jamming. I don’t have any math to back this up, though.
Well, of course check-calling is better than bet-calling if you’re assuming he has a straight. But why not just check-fold, if you’re going to assume he has a straight? What about all the other hands he could have, besides straights?
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