February 5, 2015
Hey Poker pals,
Seriously, I cannot tell you how cathartic it is to be able to have somewhere to go after an experience like this, and talk about it – get it off my chest, and hopefully into some kind of perspective.
This is not a bad beat story, it is in fact a software issue; I looked through the forums to decide which one was the most suitable for this thread, but the problem I am having is with how I am dealing with this issue.
So I had been playing in the Sunday Storm all evening. I tell you what, it is so relieving to me to have an audience with people who understand, rather than my wife or Stars’ support. I was pumped for this T, I am on holiday tomorrow, so I could’ve been up all night if necessary. So I had been working, all evening, at building some momentum in this T. Making complicated decisions, applying myself…I really do not need to explain here of all places the effort I had been making. For some reason I had a good feeling about this T before I started.
To cut a long, (excruciating, oh so painful,) story short, I was ITM with about 4000 players remaining.
I was on the HJ with As Qs. I raised 2.7x. BTN called, BB called. The board came Qd 5d 9h.
I went to cBet. I could not depress the bet button, either with my mouse nor my track pad. I ended up having to check…that was the only button which worked.
BTN bets, BB raises, I try to raise but can only call…BTN folds…(I figure that maybe this might end up being the most inspired way to play my hand…by letting the BB pass me his chips into my under-rep’d hand). I cannot remember the exact mechanics of the rest of the hand, but I end up not being able to call my severely under-rep’d hand when the BB puts me all-in, offering me something like 5-1 with TPTK. I am UNABLE TO DEPRESS THE CALL BUTTON. I time out, and I am automatically folded. I am left with four and a half measly big blinds.
(Can you imagine if this had been the bubble or FT or HU in a HS T? I can’t).
Brother, I have gotten oh so pissed at my connection dropping out before. I now have a good fast dongle with me at all times to help me with that, but I do know how tilting losing connex. can be.
But this was something else. I can not describe adequately my sheer…disbelief; shock; horror… becoming panic as I realised that here, just at this crucial moment, the button was inoperative. I ended up being timed-out of the hand, and busting two hands later.
OK so now you understand what happened. I would like to draw some kind of line under it. But it is tilting me SO hard…maybe I am going OTT here.
If I had won the 20bb 100000+chip pot I would have had about 28 big blinds. So it is not as if this happened at a FT or anything. And it is, of course, totally possible that BB had made a set and would have possibly busted me anyway. Nevertheless, had I won, which is the outcome I expect would have occurred, I would have been running something like 1500/4000 ITM in a well-structured very soft MTT. Who knows what I might have been able to achieve? As I said earlier, I really was feeling good about this T for some reason, even before it started.
So how can a poker site even decide what kind of compensation I might be due? It is an impossible question to answer. I might even have won the thing…are they going to give me $25000?
To be honest, I expect they are going to ask me “did you have any 3rd party software running at the time?”. Of course, I had HM2 running. (BTW what a surprise… I am now 1/3 in a 180 man. If I were more cynical, I might think they had rigged this so I feel better. I do of course think it is a coincidence, but I can see how these conspiracy theories arise). [Edit: 15 mins later]: Jesus…I just won it. And I still have no response from support. I refuse, however, even in these circumstances, to become a “rig-tard”. It does seem bloody strange, however, that after they got my message which spelled out my utter disgust, shock, and horror with the circumstances, and asking them how I might be adequately compensated, when there seems to me to be no Earthly way that they might even be able to work out what a fair compensation might look like…THEN I GO AND WIN A 180 NEXT GAME?
I feel like The Incredible Hulk…resisting…oh so hard…Arrrgh! The Rig-tard within me is almost too strong for me to resist! It might break through! ARRRRGH!
I resisted. I refuse to believe they have thrown me this bone to appease me. And even if they have…it hasn’t bloody worked. If anything, it has tilted me even further.
To summarise: Am I going OTT with my reaction? I was literally writhing and shouting and contorted and FREAKING OUT in my chair when it happened! I even bit my clenched fist! 2 hours later, I am still in shock, but truthfully, writing to you guys has helped me calm down.
Or, am I totally right to be pissed off beyond words, that my chance at a deep run in a soft T has been cut short brutally through no fault of my own; and that you all would be freaking out hard also?
Can you imagine if this kind of thing happened at a HS FT? A truly terrifying thought. Any of you guys got similar stories or experiences? (I had another thing with Stars for a while where the software would auto-fold my hand as though I had pre-checked the fold button, when I had not.).
Whatever, thank you for listening. You have already helped.
February 5, 2015
OK so I survived the night.
Forget about my stupid tantrum. Actually, I was still pissed about it this morning, so its not like it was nothing.
I am in contact with Stars about a refund, but really its not the point. How is it possible to discern a player’s tournament equity at that stage?
I guess the central issue I wish to address is my seeming inability to contain my anger. Elsewhere in this forum I have explored my previous relationship to the game and how it has developed over time and experience from a particularly unhealthy relationship, to at worst a neutral one. In large part this has been due to the advice I have received from more experienced players and pros here at TPE.
I was always so driven to succeed in poker, that whilst I still prioritised family days out at the weekend, for example, they were invariably cut short by hours at a time by my wish to get on the grind. This wasn’t some degen primal urge, I was trying to build another income stream in order to provide a better life for my family. (OK, so maybe there was a 10% degen factor also!).
I expected to be told by more experienced players that in order to succeed I would need to devote even more time to poker. Imagine my surprise when wiser heads suggest I spend even less time, and more with my family. Matt even suggested I give up poker altogether! (C’mon man, get real!). [Edit: maybe he was dropping me a hint…ie, Riceman? Go be with your family, enjoy them, perhaps you might enjoy bowling? Or boating in Hyde Park? Perhaps poker is something you’d be better off forgetting buddy?…].
So a big thank you, from myself and my wife and my kids, and even my Mum.
However, last night I admittedly let my frustration get the best of me. I simply couldn’t contain my anger. So I was a bit of dick to my wife. Not nasty, just enough to upset her.
Look, I know this is a poker training website and not my own personal development blog, so in order to continue the thread I shall pose a question:
(I am not talking about bad beats)…
How well do you guys deal with software/ hardware failure, and consequent loss of real money? All the effort, time, thought, and of course potential big money wasted and lost. Do any of you also end up tilting uncontrollably? How does a pro handle it?
(And one final question…just to make me feel better…have any of you got any more serious stories of hard/software failures?).
I generally look at hardware/software issues as just another form oaf variance. Sometimes you disconnect and would have sucked out. Sometimes you disconnect and would have taken a bad beat. Sometimes you would have won/lost a flip. I figure it all equals out over time, over a mass number of hands just like normal variance.
And I’m glad we were able to provide an outlet for your frustration! Better us than your monitor going out the window! 🙂
August 21, 2014
Ouch that hurts.
To let the pressure out of your it is always good to talk or write. This brings the brain muscle back in balance.
The
As KB wrote before you can handle it as variance.
From the mental view: (Please understand, i don’t wanna upset you with my minds)
running on tilt as you described in your post should be investigated by you.
- Why i get out of mental control now?
- What are the signs i feel before running hot?
- What can i do to avoid that?
Poker and the connected variance is a game of the long run. And trust me, if you made the right decisions over the long run, the results will come and situations like that will no longer bring you on a such huge tilt.
From the technical side view:
I got my IPAD/IPHONE beside of me not connected to my Home Wireless Lan.
If this happens, and of course yes it happened also to me, i hard switch off my computer and open my Pstars Client at the Mobile Device and play until the next break there.
Sure if you got more than 5 tables runnin it is a bit stress but you can handle it.
Keep your head up, play your best.
February 5, 2015
OK people, thank you for your thoughts. KB, this is inspired thinking. I have also realised previously that of course everybody will be affected by these things from time to time. And of course as you point out KB, I might have been coolered or sucked out on or whatever. Very helpful to remind me this happens to everyone.
Markvor, thanks for your time. You know, I am actually pretty good these days with handling the variance in the game, but the one thing which still sets me off is either losing connex., or hardware failure which locks me out of playing. I freak the **** out!
I actually also have Stars on my phone, so I can always use that, but I also have a super-fast dongle connected to my phone data in case of wifi shut-down. My problem the other night was that I got the start time of the T wrong, so by the time I sat down I had used my thinking time already. If I had been thinking clearly, the first thing I would’ve done is shut down HM2, and if that failed to resolve the issue I should have pulled the table on to my other screen, or at least minimised the table to see if I could depress the button in a different screen location.
All these great ideas came to me after, but I only had 30ish seconds to think, and the first 15 were spent in utter disbelief.
I am still haunted by the idea of this or a similar thing occurring when it really matters, for significant money, in a crucial spot…
TPE Pro
August 25, 2012
Sorry this happened. If it helps at all, with 4000 players left and a reasonably short stack, your odds of final tabling this thing were probably around 400 or 500 to 1.
Not to mention, any mistake you make at that point probably doesn’t cost you any more than a few cents in EV.
To be honest, the likely reason for you being so tilted is results-orientation. You were so attached to this tournament because it’s your best shot at a big score that you got exponentially more tilted here than you would have if it happened in level 1 of a freeroll.
You said it yourself – “who knows what you would have been able to achieve?” Well, the likely answer is not a lot, to be honest. If you started out in a 4,000 player MTT would you be saying to yourself “I have a really good chance to win this thing”? I hope not!
How well do I deal with hardware/software failure? It’s pretty annoying, but I have zero control over it so all I can do is try to fix it. You probably win or lose more money each day with currency fluctuations than you do with a low-consequence poker decision.
You talk a lot about the money you think you lost, or what you would lose if it happened again – there’s your problem. Attachment to the money.
February 5, 2015
Hey Matt thanks for your thoughts.
With perspective I can see it is not such a big deal. At the time though it certainly felt like it. If you check out the Pokerstars Software Improvement Thread for the date you will find me threatening to eat my neighbours cat…raw, if I was not compensated adequately. I had to apologise. I actually kind of lost it there looking back.
I am very good these days accepting beats or variance, but connection or software issues tilt me way OTT.
I have to disagree with you though Matt when you say it is attachment to the money is my issue. I guess it must be partly true. But it is more the fact that I have spent a considerable amount of time and effort to give myself a shot, luckily not getting coolered or sucked out on or bad beat, only to have a software issue defeat me in a critical pot. I believe in momentum, and in positive energy, and I had all the right feelings going on…I’m sure I don’t need to explain myself to other tournament players.
Even just typing this I am getting wound up as I re-live it!
The effort and time, more so than the money, is what tilts me I feel.
Oh, and congratulations to Donald Trump by the way. I actually did want him to win, in all seriousness, but only because the larger part of my soul is masochistic and nihilistic and even suicidal at times by nature.. I wish it wasn’t but it is.
Objectively speaking, this cannot be a good thing for humanity.
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