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I'm not sure this is the right forum, but a bit of an ethical question
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So, I was playing last night in a friendly home game. .25/.50 blinds, tons of limping, a mix of a couple good players, and 1 or 2 beginners, if you will.  

One of the n00bs was the father of my close friend. He was literally carrying with him a sheet showing the ranks of hands. Great guy, lots of fun.

We got in to a few hands before I saw that he really was not aware of what he was doing, too much, which brings me to my question:
How do you handle a player like that at a friendly home game? I had position on him the entire night. 

I only had one hand where I feel like I could have made him really pay. Limped pot, I’ve got 33, flop comes 377, and he starts betting from the small blind, which he only does when he has a hand. I just call, it gets heads up, and I know I could have raised more on each of the streets, and was correct that he had A7. But I just couldn’t make him pay that much. 

What say you, TPE?

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actually had this discussion with someone recently. I basically came to the conclusion that in a casino, you don’t take it easy on these guys, but in a friendly home game I think i would play it like you. I’m obviously not checking back the nuts vs them or anything, but I’m also not going to make it a point to take a bunch of money from a guy who is probably just there for the sake of a little fun and to hang out with his son.

It does bring up another interesting question though…how about a guy (in a home game or perhaps even in a casino) who is clearly intoxicated past the point of making good decisions. Do we change tables to avoid the moral dilemma? or do we just take all his cash?

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At a casino, shouldn’t the floor come in and do something about somebody who is so intoxicated that they shouldn’t be gambling period?  I’m not sure what the casino’s policies are on those types of situations.

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At a casino, KB, I’m not going to feel much of a moral issue, tbh. If he’s sitting down at a table, and the floor/dealer, or more importantly, his friends, don’t do something, someone is likely to take his or her money. Might as well be me. 

If it’s someone I know, I’m going to work even harder to take his money, so I can hold it over him when he wakes up in the morning.

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MikeCation said

If it’s someone I know, I’m going to work even harder to take his money, so I can hold it over him when he wakes up in the morning.  

ha, so this!

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I take all his money whether he is paralytic, inconsolable, desperate, non compos mentis, psychotic, whatever. (Well, I guess I draw my own personal moral line if the dude is seriously mentally incapacitated and is just out for a day of fun at the poker table, probably with assistance…ok, I am an utter bastard…so what?).

I am not so great at poker that I can afford to pass up edges like that. 

In fact, look at the thing objectively: we are all utterly mercenary bastards trying to lie/ steal/ destroy every other mercenary bastard and/ or every other unfortunate who thought it was a good idea to put money down at our table to play cards; and to take their money.

Cut the crap. We aren’t benign entities over here.

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The Riceman said

In fact, look at the thing objectively: we are all utterly mercenary bastards trying to lie/ steal/ destroy every other mercenary bastard and/ or every other unfortunate who thought it was a good idea to put money down at our table to play cards; and to take their money.

Cut the crap. We aren’t benign entities over here.  

That’s not an objective way to look at it! The vast majority of poker players who actually make money in the long run are in it because they love the game and the poker community. Most people who are ‘mercenary bastards’ end up quitting after a few years to go be a stockbroker or something.

Context is important. If everyone playing the game is purely there to have fun with their friends, then playing hyper-competitively with the intent of crushing your opponents seems to be complete overkill. I have no problem at all not extracting max value from a guy if I know it’s going to make him more likely to come back to the table next time – if he goes broke within half an hour of the first time he ever sits down at a poker table, is he going to sit down again? Much less likely.

If everyone is there to compete, in a tournament or at a casino, it’s a different issue. It’s expected that each player will do what they can in order to win. But there is such a thing as taking poker too seriously, and being too money-oriented.

It might not seem this way, but poker is far from the most lucrative career out there. The real mercenary bastards are a long way from the poker world.

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I actually like this Ginger. It’s true, I do love this game. Hell, I’ve lost enough money over the years playing it. Maybe I’m the mark all along!

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The Riceman said
I actually like this Ginger. It’s true, I do love this game. Hell, I’ve lost enough money over the years playing it. Maybe I’m the mark all along!  

We’re all a mark for someone, mate. Embrace it. 🙂

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What else is there to do? 

Except join TPE or a similar site and study hard, and interact with the forums, and buy all the software, read all the books, and spend years studying this crap, in the hope that eventually, it will all come right financially. TPE is much like a rainbow in that regard…there’s a pot of gold over yonder, but I’m buggered if I ever believe I’ll get my hands on it.

But, touching on the point you made…I never got in to poker for the money. Which is just as well, because…

I checked out my SharkScope the other day. I’m $10,000 down over five years. 

If you looked at the trajectory of my graph, it could represent this: an entirely bored and probably mentally challenged individual takes a ping-pong ball up a long flight of steps. He stands at the top of the steps, and because he is bored and simple decides it would be a worthwhile idea to throw the ping-pong ball down the stairs for the simple pleasure of watching it bounce all the way down. He throws the ball. It misses entirely the first few steps (this reflects when I first started playing…at mid stakes like a tool…the period in which my graph resembles the trajectory of a man leaping headfirst to his doom). On about the seventh step, the ball bounces! An upward trajectory finally! (I began to win something, at least). But then a freak miracle occurs! On the ball’s next bounce, it hits the corner of the step! And leaps in to the air! (This represents the moment I though I was ready to “go pro”, and bought my daughter a silver bracelet because I thought I was now guaranteed success…what a wanker). From here on in, the ball just continues to fall plonk plonk plonk with occasional peaks, and here we are, five years later, $10,000 down over an turnover of probably >$ $100,000. 

The only thing that maintains my hope, is that I am profitable in the 180 man turbos. Like an utter sad-case, I hold on to this fact and cherish it, and it brings me solace when I need it, and frankly, other people at TPE must be bored with me even mentioning it again (which I feel I need to because otherwise I feel like an UTTER LOSER!).

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At least I am not deluded. Or a bullshitter. I know a losing player’s graph when I see one (it points downwards instead of upwards), and I will continue to call myself out on it until the bastard thing starts pointing in the other direction (up).

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