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Experimenting with Sleep Patterns
jacobsharktank
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February 27, 2014 - 11:03 am
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Hey TPE, quick background-

I'm 23. I drink a lot of water to combat my unhealthy eating, which is something I work on. I work in an office a few miles from home, and I walk there and back. It's not really exercise, but it amounts to about 45 minutes of light exercise a day 5 days a week, which is far better than most Americans. I work from around 8am to around 5pm. Bovada's schedule picks up around 8pm-9pm and goes until 3am-4am for all but the latest tournament, which ended around 430am when I got 2nd. I'm toying with the idea of playing as many comfortable hours as possible, and the tournament schedule I've put together is a good one. I don't necessarily want to play the games that run earlier when I get home. However, playing til 4am and waking up at 7am is not good! So I'm toying with going back to a sleep schedule I once had in high school when under high academic stress in the IB college prep program. I split my sleep up. It's difficult to maintain but while in it, I would be completely fine, just with two sets of shorter sleeping sessions than your typical 8 hour stretch. I didn't do this willynilly, I researched and found lots of schedules others have tried. I'm thinking about trying for at least a few days to see how it goes, coming home from work around 5, relaxing for 15-30 minutes, then going to bed for a couple of hours. I would sleep from 6pm-815pm, shower, then get into my mtt schedule. Then sleep from ?-7am. Being 23, I function at 100% with 6ish hours of sleep.

 

So yah. idk…just wanted to post my ideas out and get some suggestions. I'd sleep a full cycle of rem sleep, wake up fully refreshed for the grind, then go to bed and get usually 3 more full cycles in. My registration would end with a 945 tournament and I would refill empty table slots with late reg from within my reg window, as there are definitely more games availalbe during this time than I currently play. Late regging is something I love to do because of the immeasurable value of getting into a game with what amounts to is insane overlay and a 30bb stack. Half the field can be gone and youll still have plenty of chips to work with. There's efinitely something ot be said about not diminishing your resources in the first hour of an additional tournament when multiple games are running.

 

Anyway, thoughts? As I write it out, it feels a bit too loose. I'll look into this bovada mtt daily schedule more when I get home today.

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February 27, 2014 - 12:22 pm
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For me personally, sleep is one of the most important things in life, particularly if you are working in a field where being sharp mentally is important (poker).  I'm a lawyer and my job is stressful so it's even more important.  My wife makes fun of me, but I won't get out of bed with less than 8 hrs sleep, so I go to bed before 10pm.  Losing sleep is just not good and there's no amount of caffiene that can make up for it.  If this means playing fewer tournaments, so be it.  Your winrate will be higher if you are sharper.  It is better to play 10 tournaments a week at your A game than 100 at your C game, because in all likelihood our C game is losing poker so the added 90 tournaments of volume were tournaments you were unlikely to win anyway if you aren't rested. 

 

BTW I've heard about the sleep schedule you referenced.  I think the idea arose from Ben Franklin's alleged sleep cycle where he would sleep for 1.5 hrs at a time (one sleep cycle) until he got tired again, but we don't even know if this is real or just a myth because we weren't there, and could be a myth we just all perpetuated.  I tried a sleep schedule in law school where I would sleep 3 hrs at a time every 12 hrs to maximize study time, but it makes your life a complete hell.  You are perpetually on the verge of just collapsing out of exhaustion and can't recommend it to anyone.  You will eventually become so irritable that it will be difficult to function. 

 

Good luck laugh 

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February 27, 2014 - 12:40 pm
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Right on pointing out the worry of playing all my volume at my C game. But like..I remember being wide awake when I did this sort of thing in high school. I don't know if it came from Ben Franklin, but I know I have seen a lot of stuff about just training your body to skip right to rem sleep. One of the possibilities (not for me) was to get to a point where you'd sleep 20-30 minutes every 3 hours and then at one point in the day get 2 hours in. Every time you were sleeping your body would go through a cycle as opposed to the normal 90 minutes it takes. These things are very…idk i don't want to say dangerous. i think difficulty to maintain them is high. you mention irritability and being on the verge of death, and the idea is to maintain the sleep schedule to the T because like ew'll go for the extreme with 20 minute naps and then the 2 hour nap. That cycle is set in such a manner that when youre at the point youre trained, your body immediately falls into rem sleep whereas normally it takes a while to shutdown. it gets everything it needs in the i wanna say 6 -20 minutes of boosted perfect sleep and in the 2 hours. if you mess up at all though, the consequences are far more drastic and visible than just running deep in a tournament through like 4am when you regularly get a normal amount of sleep. like…hm. benefits supposedly remain the same, but consequences from mistakes increase drastically. thats what the trade off is supposed to be i guess. you have less maneuverability, but you have more time. i knew a few people with monster IQ's that seemed to perfect this in high school. i don't want to do that extreme version, but you get the idea. i don't want to go to bed before 10pm because of the games available between me getting home and the games i'd get to play.

that would mean then cutting significantly the potential volume. there has to be some kind of middle ground in there. i can't let myself turn into a rec player only getting 10 games a week in. i'll fall behind skill-wise, but more importantly, your winrate at 10 games a week is horrrrrrribly low and incredibly high variance when you factor in time as a variable. 3 months pass by and i have less than 100 games, i have no idea what my actual skill is relative to the fields because that's just not enough hands.

 

maybe ill try to play earlier some days and then have days set aside for the bigger games at night? the thing about that is i feel i odn't play near my A-game when i get home from work so i need to rest for a little bit, usually like an hour. that leaves my window even smaller. i plan to add 6max don's back into my schedule, so that actually could help when i feel i don't have the time for a full session. completely blanked on that. haha.

 

that's awesome you're a lawyer. i planned to go to law school for a while, but then sort of fell out of it. i took the lsat my junior year and my highest score was like a 164 and fsu and uf's inner quartile ranges were both lower than that at the time (both schools are pretty good), but the day of my actual test, some guy had an asthma attack and i ****ed up both sections of logic games i got. (the easiest 20-23 questions you can possibly get omggg still hurts lol). i actually played a live $100 tournament the day before and final tabled it for like $550. immediately after finishing the lsat, i went home, gave myself a mohawk, drove to see my girlfriend for the night, then went on tour. lol. sorry for the ramble story. it just popped in my head hah

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February 27, 2014 - 5:17 pm
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I was throwing out 10 tournaments as an extreme example.  But you can easily play 50 tournaments grinding Friday through Sunday. 

 

If you have a career and play poker you will have to give something up.  It's quite possible to play poker 40+ hours per week and work 40+ hours per week, but then you aren't doing much else, and may be giving up sleep.  I'd rather play poker 20 hrs a week and still work on my game. 

 

As far as your sleep schedule is concerned you sound a lot like me in my early 20's.  I know someone else wouldn't have dissuaded me back then, so I won't dissuade you now. All I can say is be careful.  Also, when you get into your late 20's you won't be able to survive on less sleep, so this schedule isn't sustainable imo.  But again, it's your call. 

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February 27, 2014 - 11:57 pm
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I'm more into posting from work, but I wanted to throw this out there because that was really nice. haha. i know you're giving me a warning, but i'm really appreciative of you saying you understand where i'm coming from and you won't try to change it. i do know this isn't gonna last forever. i definitely don't want to play like this forever lol. i enjoy sleep. i do like playing this schedule now, but i also don't have commitments right now. i want to take advantage of that. life is sort of a grind for me right now, but it's more out of motivation. i will not do this for long. i also don't think i will do this past the series on bovada to be honest. i'll play fewer days per week. i work on my game at work honestly, because i have soooooo much down time. my job is currently me being trained, and there's plenty of space where i have easily 15 minutes, then an hour, then another 20, etc while people are busy or in meetings or whatever. frankly for the next few months, ill probably spend the majority of my training/study at work. it's amazing value on my time. my work doesn't suffer at all. i get everything done on time. i did get sick after taking the bus home from a live tournament and missed afew days, but that's a silly outlier i think. lol. i had sick days and i'm fine. i get two days off a month in vacation and sick.

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