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Am I wasting my time playing Carbon Poker? (US player)
ISeeYourCards11
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June 27, 2014 - 12:31 pm
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I feel like carbon poker micro stakes MTTs is the only exception when it comes to not being able to apply pro level poker concepts. Bet sizing is ridiculous, you don’t get any respect from anyone. The late reg times are also terrible. I feel that the variance on merge is incredibly large compared to other sites such as bovada.

I have only been playing buyins ranging from $1.10 to $5.50. I feel that the only chance you really have to win here is if you do ABC poker, but I want to be more of a creative player and think outside of the box.

I’ve had several deep runs at Bovada and have shipped a couple tourneys as well. I’m planning on just tossing Carbon poker out of my playing field and only playing their large series events.

Does anyone else feel the same way about Carbon poker?

Thanks

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So you are playing poker to make creative moves? If that is your goal you should probably stop playing online, save some money for a mid-low buyin life event with a good structure and then play super-creative.

Even stars has rediculous play in the low buyins ($1 – $27 mostly, too). But when getting deeper most super donks are either eleminated or accumulated a great stack out of pure luck. This then makes for more chances for reasonable play against other reasonable players and offers a chance to get doubled up (sometimes multiple times) by the superdonk-deepstackfish. What can you wish more for – IF you are playing poker primarily for a living/making money.

I don't want to sound like a ****, I just think avoiding a field because you feel under-challanged doesn't seem to make sense for most players if that's the kind of games you should play with your bankroll. If you can afford higher buyins, just play these. Otherwise make sure you know your goals in poker, or at least the reasoning why you play. If it really is for fun primarily, and winning is only a nice side effect, then sure you can avoid abc-play fields.

That said I believe that even against the greatest donkpool of players, “creative” play can be very profitable. For example open-shoving KK/AA first hand in the tourney. You may get called by 55, KTo and AJ, 200 BB deep. Or donk-leading topset when you just called a UTG-open with JJ preflop…. max value more often than you may think. There are many more spots of course. Be creative!

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There are two well established card rooms that are within a 20 mile radius of me fortunately. I also do enjoy playing live more than online mostly because you are playing everyone face to face which can hype up the adrenaline. I’ve just been playing online more because it is convenient, less variance, and affordable.

I like to consider poker a hobby of mine, but really do enjoy the opportunity to make large sums of money. It’s just very frustrating to see so many of these awful players be so successful and then I just continue to get beat by them.

Maybe I just need to get better at hand reading and ranges. I’m not sure anymore.

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June 27, 2014 - 2:39 pm
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Ok, I dunno if you already did so, but if not I strongly suggest to read some articles on MTT variance.

I highly recommend this blogpost: …..tt_pros_2/

Getting frustrated when hit by suckouts from bad players is the default thing to do for any poker novice – or even if you are more experienced and coming from a life-play background where you don't see as many hands as an online grinder playing multiple tables etc. What can help is telling yourself, that in the long run these players make your game profitable. They may suck out once, or twice or even 5 times in a row. But facing a 3:1 spot to your advantage on the turn will be super profitable in the long run, if villain decides to call you off with his flushdraws for example. So try to see these aweful players as your best income source and you will have an easier time accepting the bad-beats.

Also, I think always trying to improve your game (watching TPE videos etc.) will always let you benefit in the long run. You're definitly at the right place to learn crushing MTTs.

Also, no offence, but playing poker (especially MTTs) as a hobby AND winning large sums of money is not that likely, because of the high variance involved (large fields) and/or the many many decent players as soon as the buy-in increases.

All that said if you have the patience and passion to put in some work I believe everyone can get a decent pokerplayer with a nice ROI over time. GL!

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+1 to researching MTT variance. Variance is huge in MTTs and I believe a lot of the micros on Carbon are fairly large field sizes, which is going to create more variance and decrease the frequency that you cash. In my opinion your edge as a winning player should actually theoretically be larger on carbon since the structures play deeper and skip fewer blind levels. You can also use a HUD on Carbon, and if lots of people are entering the tournament near the end of late reg. that’s actually good for you (players Regging with 10bb have a stack worth much less than the avg stack size, they are less likely to cash). There is plenty of room for “creative play” even in micros- you will have more of an edge and much more fold equity deeper in the tournament after antes and near the money/in the money. These games do play differently than bovada games (somewhat), but it’s just a matter of adjusting.

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