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Advice: Avoiding "non thinking" mistakes.
chaos
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November 28, 2014 - 5:08 am
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On of my major leaks is I sometimes act without thinking. I make a play and I know it's a stupid play and I don't really know why I do it but I'm pretty sure it is because I don't stop to think. This never happens in the starting stages of a tournament but more towards the later phases and what makes it more dangerous is that sometimes it works, even when it's a bad play.

I do generally realize is a bad play as soon as I make the move, which is, of course, too late and even when it succeeds it sucks because I know it's a huge mistake.

A couple of examples:

– The other day I was HU against a guy that I read as only betting when having a piece of the board and incidentally a guy I knew I had an edge against. I raise with A8s in the button and the flop is 559, he donks 4/5 of the pots and I insta jam something like 18bb… he calls and sure enough he has 9J. The moment I jammed I knew that was a wrong play… a couple of seconds before I was telling myself this guy would only bet with a hand so … what the **** was I thinking?? So many ways of playing the hand and I didn't even think about it, I just jammed.

– Another situation came from jamming over 21bb in the bubble against stacks I knew could hurt me with KQs. I know a small 3bet could have probably achieved the same result as a jam without taking such a big risk, but even if that shove was correct, I didn't stop to think about it, I just did it.

– Sometimes I find myself opening something like J9s in MP without looking at the stacks on the blinds. Again, the problem is not the open itself, is the fact that I do it without thinking or without analyzing the whole situation. Is like, J9s, nice to steal the blind… but then I realize the big blind has 8bb and is going to shove any two and put me in an uncomfortable space.

Another thing that does happen to me sometimes online is predeciding the hand preflop and then failing to adapt. This will be a situation where I see the hand and I decide I'm going to play it on a given way. But then something happens that changes the flow and I end up in a situation where I don't want to be or else I end up making a bad decision.

i.e. I have ATs in the SB and I'm planning to 3bet the button who's been stealing a lot of pots and push to his 4bet if he does 4 bet because I know he's full of shit most of the time. The button opens, I 3bet and the big blind 4 bets, button folds and I stuff it all against the big blind without thinking.

Pretty similar to what I intended to do but against a completely different player. This has happened to me recently and I ended up getting it in against a guy that was pretty tight (and I knew it based on stats) and to whom I had no fold equity with a 5bet shove as opposed to the button.

Do you have any advice or tip for how to avoid those situation and keep concentration or at least, some sort of way to avoid making ANY move without thinking? I'm sick of those situations where I've made the move before thinking, I don't mind if I end up making a BAD move as long as I've stoped to think about it because then I can go back and analyze why that was a bad move, but when I don't think about it, is just stupid.

Any advice? Any tricks you use to remind yourself of always stopping to think about the hand?

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November 28, 2014 - 7:33 am
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I use post it notes on bottom of the screen with a few reminders such as

* POSITION POSITION POSITION
* WHAT DOES THEIR ACTION MEAN ?
* STACK SIZES ?

Maybe 8 bullet points in total. Not fail safe but good to look at before acting, during breaks/quiet spells etc

GL

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November 28, 2014 - 6:45 pm
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Often this is a mental game issue that can be controlled by strategic reminders, but not entirely fixed. I would recommend getting enough sleep before you play, exercising regularly, drinking less coffee, and practicing yoga or meditation on a regular basis, especially before you play. You will find that your thought processes in all aspects of life are a lot clearer if you take on even one or two of these habits.

 

Of course, greater strategic knowledge always helps, but it seems like you're unable to access a lot of your knowledge because your thoughts are clouded. If you're not thinking clearly and straightforwardly, you need to address your mental conditioning before addressing your strategy.

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Hey Chaos,

 

Great post and I really like your specific examples.  This is a huge leak I have as well, and nothing tilts me more than making a stupid mistake or a silly play just because I didn't think.  For me it tends to happen more often when I am in the middle of starting up tables, or when I am playing 6+ tables across multiple sites and it's hard to pay attention to everything with all the different software running.  I really like theginger's points above.  Exercise and Mindfulness meditation can go a long way, and I'm definitely not doing enough of either.  I think spending 10 minutes practicing deep breathing/mindful breathing before a session can be very beneficial.  Another thing I have been doing pre-session is to take nootropic supplements such as Alpha Brain.  It's not really cheap but IMO they are actually very helpful- and we need to take every possible edge!!  Check one example out here: https://www.onnit.com/alphabrain/

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This is also a problem I have, quite a bit less than I used to. I think this is an illustration of why poker is such an amazing game, because there are so many different problems to solve simultaneously, from math to your own internal psychology, to interpersonal psychological gaming etc. I particularly find this aspect interesting – the problem of intercepting the “reactive mind” and stopping yourself before simply reacting. My problem is every so often I just irrationally decide villain is bluffing and shove over the top (which is usually not the best play if he IS bluffing!). Same as your description, suddenly I’m shaking my head and saying “why did I do that?” as I leave the table – but happily this is pretty unusual now. One thing I do that I find very useful is at the end of every session I make a detailed journal entry with notes on all the significant hands I can remember. I rarely actually review my journal, but it helps reinforce the process of looking at the game analytically rather than just reacting. Sitting down and writing out my analysis guarantees that I think through what happened in a structured way. I also have a sneaking suspicion this reactive behavior could be linked to gambling compulsivity. It’s my experience that there is a certain amount of tension in playing, and this tension is released just as you get knocked out or suffer a big loss. Incidentally if anyone knows of any good books on how gambling addiction works, I’d be interested to hear about it! I don’t know how well understood the subject is. I recently read Tommy Angelo’s book Elements of Poker which is one of my favorites now, deals with all sorts of aspects of managing how you play apart from specific strategy. This was a recommendation from Foucault’s podcast Thinking Poker.

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