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January 2, 2013
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Whats going on TPE. I've just got a few general questions. I'll give you a little info first. I live in Birmingham in the UK and have started playing live. I usually play here …..13-LB1.jpg
and have a really good time. I would say this room is in the top 5 in the UK, behind DTD and the Vic. I run like a brick though. I can't adapt at all. I'm 18 but probs look a little younger and always wear like a hoody and stuff and listen to music and its like all the people over 40 are out to get me. It's actually quite funny. I mean, theres this wealthy looky asian woman who always gets me a chicken and bacon pannini in the break, which is kinda cool. But at the table she'll jam whatever she wants in my face and if I win, she'll laugh and just rebuy 50 more times. Last saturday I got into a pot by 3 betting Aces pre to like 12X (you have too) and of course I get 5 limpers and have to give up the flop. So my Q's
- How does you construct your range in the early/middle/late stages? ( not including table reads and chipstacks, ie… what gear do you play in)
- What do you do if everyone open limps? Play tighter? raise bigger with value hands?
- How do you get value from your marginal hands? Because people fold A LOT less, so do you bet heavier?
- What do you do when, for example, you shove on the river and the old Italian guy starts asking you questions? Atm I just try and give the table felt the ole staredown.
- What do you drink? Atm I just drink water, do you guys drink coffee or something that could possibly wake you up?
- This is a kinda weird question. I've played live 8 times. 2 of these times I've middle aged men blow up at me when I bust them. How do you handle this?
- Does videos made for online tourny's, apply to live? If so, as much?
- What videos, articles and sites are there out there that can improve my live game?
January 2, 2013
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Thanks in advance!
May 31, 2012
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I think you asked to many questions, thats why no one felt like answering! 🙁
I havent played ALOT live. But i can say some stuff i think:
Drinking: remember to drink water along the day. Like try to get some every break. I drink coffee if im tired.
If someone gets angry you can just say “sorry” and look a bit sad 😀
If alot of ppl limp, i would limp more hands. Like Ksx, connectors and so on. People live doesnt bluffraise often so you can play more straight forward.
Like if you hit a pair you can often call a bet. And se what they do on the turn. They mostly dont 2/3barrel as they would online.
If someone ask me questions i would just stare at one point. Like at some spot on the table, the wall behind or anything. I would never talk to them.
i think there are some podcasts here on the site about livepoker. Not 100% thou.
Good luck!
October 22, 2012
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i assume you talk about those “daily donkaments” every cardroom has with 15or20 mins levels. i treat em in a way like turbos online.
i know live there goes a lot of limping on in earlier levels, like mategott said overlimping hands like connectors,all pairs,suited aces,.. is def fine but dont spew too much
cause your chips are valuable in later levels. since the blinds increase pretty fast you soon come in the POF mode. and thats where every online player has an advantage of a normal casino reg.
if you built a tight image early you can profit when you start 3b shoving light (when around 20bb) vs the right opponent (loose openers)
general stuff i would recommend:
dont talk during a hand
dont talk poker at the table
dont argue (no matter if you win or lose)
dont drink too much alcohol
look at one spot (when in a hand)
look at your opponents when they look at their cards
be careful when you bluff (i prefer semi bluffs on flop and turn at those turnaments you play against a lot of stations and when they get to the river they often pay light)
videos: have a look at the turbo videos, and look at a shovechart
gl
January 24, 2013
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im jealous id DROOL over a room like this…
im at work so i will do a post when i get home trying to cover each item here [lol there are a lot]
but quickly i will talk abotu everyone open limping:
Generally i use this as a way to determine the skill level of the competition. If its just a few its a clue to tune into the hands they do show. If its the whole table, which would be crazy, you should open up ranges a little more…. also 3 betting and a standard c bet would seem to take down a LOT of pots uncontested…
but if they are that stationey i would do it in spurts cuz it may rile them up.. will explain more later
June 3, 2012
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Important thing to remember is that you're still playing poker, so a lot of the same concepts are going to apply, but you need to adjust to your opponents tendencies. If people limp a lot, play more hands that have value multiway. If guys play too fit or fold, iso wide and c-bet small to pick up a lot of pots off them. Keep in mind of the structure that 1 min online is equivalent to 3 mins live is a good benchmark.
Don't get too attached to big pairs in big multiway pots, and be able to idenfity spots in which people are never bluffing you, and call much more narrowly in those spots. Guys are also not going to be re-stealing with the same ranges you might normally expect, so give 3bets more respect. The exception is if you notice someone playing an aggressive style and they may be an online player. Just be observant of what your opponents are doing and make the proper adjustments to them.
May 30, 2012
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FIrst off……………… THIS site is going to improve your game LIVE or ONLINE. But you have to put in work to get better.
NEVER and I do mean NEVER limp into a pot that hasn't been opened yet. That's just super bad poker in my opinion. Now, if there is a limp and someone else does………..ahhhhhh, OK. But you should never be the first to limp into a wth like KQ or 66, just raise 2.5x- 3x
Otherwise, I like what Julius said………. Other guys are spot on as well.
You did ask too many questions, lol
January 24, 2013
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- How does you construct your range in the early/middle/late stages? ( not including table reads and chipstacks, ie… what gear do you play in)
I think we already touched on this one. Its all table/player dependent. But generally what gets you paid the most is playing the opposite of the makority of the table or particular players. If they are nitty, take advantage and take their blinds. If they are spewtards, tighten up and bust them with big hands.
- What do you do if everyone open limps? Play tighter? raise bigger with value hands?
definately discussed this. DONT ever submit an open limp hand for Bigdog to review lol. Basically its just a way to admit weakness and let ppl steal from you.
- How do you get value from your marginal hands? Because people fold A LOT less, so do you bet heavier?
This comes from perhaps settin up multiple street moves. IF anyone can find the fold. I wouldnt necessarily say het heavier because, as you said, not many are folding. Bet them IN POSITION and be ready to give up if a donk suddenly wakes on on the turn when a random card hits.
- What do you do when, for example, you shove on the river and the old Italian guy starts asking you questions? Atm I just try and give the table felt the ole staredown.
LOL i love this shit personally. Look right back at him and tell him what he wants to hear. Or diffuse the situation by makin the whole table laugh. Put him offguard.
- What do you drink? Atm I just drink water, do you guys drink coffee or something that could possibly wake you up?
Water is perfect. A little bit of caffiene never hurt.
- This is a kinda weird question. I've played live 8 times. 2 of these times I've middle aged men blow up at me when I bust them. How do you handle this?
Live TILT is one of my favorite things at the casino. I often wonder what ppl at home are doing it and when the old ppl do it its the best. BUT you have an audience. Keep your reactions minimal and be polite. IF youre that way ppl will still want to play with you knowing youre a gracious winner. In this vein, dont do anything to alienate the fish or the potential fish watching. IF they are having a good time and enjoy your company whty wont mind losing oftentiemes, because they are there to have fun, the money doenst matter to them. So you want to encourage this!!!!! 
- Does videos made for online tourny's, apply to live? If so, as much?
Most of the concepts you learn in videos can be directly applied to live. With the exception that there isnt nearl;y as much 3 and 4betting light. People tend to call much more live and just, in general make a lot more donkamental moves. WE LIKE!!!!!! So dont criticize anyone openly, because you dont want them realizing they are the fish, let them play they 'a' game.
- What videos, articles and sites are there out there that can improve my live game?
Like the above answer. Most everything here can help. I woudl suggest learning the methodologies BEHIND the moves you see. The situational awarness of yourself and the villians and the dynamics of the table can give you a huge edge over the field if you care constantly in tune with it.
hope this helps
July 16, 2012
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if they berate you, just reply extremelllyyyy sacarastically….it tilts them even more…and never answer questions during a hand…unless you think you can out level them and get them to call or fold…BUT you're giving information away
June 27, 2012
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My favorite creed in poker is “don’t tap the tank” when playing live. Keep polite, courteous and don’t scare the fish away.
July 16, 2012
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yeah, that is true…you don't wanna insult anyone…especially if they are weak players…you want them always to be in the game…BUT at the same time, don't just sit there like a child and let someone walk all over you…depends on your personality i guess..i wouldnt.
October 21, 2012
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Thanks guys. Great info here.
I will be playing my first real live MTTs in a few weeks and I am curious how I should adapt my online games to these. I am afraid I will have a ton of tells.
It will be tough to abuse people that get pissed and stare at you or say things in anger because of it. It's going to be a challenge to not get mad if someone gets too out of line.
If people are being nice or mean, I know I will want to ignore them either way with headphones, shades, and a hoodie to try and recreate the equivalent of blocking chat online, lol.
If anybody else has any general tips, please keep em coming.
October 21, 2012
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One question I just thought off.
It seems that the general consensus is that live MTTs are softer than online ones. If this is true, wouldnt it make sense to play live early in your career to build a nice bankroll for online?
For example, I occassionally take shots at $109 MTTs on Sunday. Im not a huge favorite to FT these so should I instead spend that money taking shots at small live MTTs?
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April 6, 2010
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Issue is that you cannt put in the same volume live as you can online so it takes longer to reach the “long run”. There are also other expenses assoicated with live events that essentially cut in to your ROI. Might not seem like much bbut if you are playing a $100 live and there is $20 rake. You have to immediately add to that things like gas, dinner, tips, cocktails, etc. That could be another $20-$30 easily, so now suddenly you are playing a $100+50 tournament. That's kind of crazy rake 🙂 and if you need to get a room for a night at the casino or something it goes up even more!
October 21, 2012
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Killingbird said:
Issue is that you cannt put in the same volume live as you can online so it takes longer to reach the “long run”. There are also other expenses assoicated with live events that essentially cut in to your ROI. Might not seem like much bbut if you are playing a $100 live and there is $20 rake. You have to immediately add to that things like gas, dinner, tips, cocktails, etc. That could be another $20-$30 easily, so now suddenly you are playing a $100+50 tournament. That's kind of crazy rake 🙂 and if you need to get a room for a night at the casino or something it goes up even more!
True. If it's really as easy a people say it is, then I think it might be worth it if you live close to a casino and dont have to spend too much on gas, dinner, a room, cocktails, etc. Also, in a MTT, you only pay a tip if you win right? (I never cashed in one so I dont know)
I live about 3 hours from Cherokee (Atlanta) so the gas would be a bit much, but I would sleep in my truck and eat cheap food. Plus I dont drink. I wouldnt mind doing this occasssionally if a like $100 truly plays like an online $10 game. I've heard people say it is really that bad. I wonder if I could do this for a week to see if I could hit a nice 4 figure score and then put that money online.
Maybe this WSOPC event will inspire me to try it.
October 21, 2012
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If I am only concerned with building a bankroll and winning rings (yet), would it make more sense for me to play the $130 nighty non-ring tourneys instead of the $365 ring events?
Seems like the best players would be in it for points and rings so the nightly have to be flooded with fish.
February 15, 2013
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I can tell you personally that the $120-$130 tourneys have a ton of value. I was in Vegas a month ago and final tabled back-to-back Aria's $125. 1st was the 1pm got 7th of 108 for $326ish, gotta look at receipt. Then next night played the 7pm and chopped 4-handed of 47 for $1230. Then last week at Cherokee, 8th of 220 for $650 (after swaps, $1350 total cash). Following night 20 of 320 for $367ish. I am either going to just play the $130s or look for partial staking in the $365s. Next stop probably Philly, then Vegas this summer. I crush those smaller tourneys though.
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