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New player here, Pot odds vs outs
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Hey everyone, my names Matt, I’m new to poker. I wanted to ask the more experience players about working out pot odds and comparing them to outs if the situation calls for it. Sometimes I struggle to workout the pot odds, I’m getting by calling, at Live MTT especially when people just throw chips in and it’s in a big messy pile. Any advice or tips for a newbie like me?  

I currently memorised some short cuts for pot odds, e.g headsup if my opponent makes a pot sized bet I’m getting about 2 to 1 pot odds. Headsup if my opponent makes a half pot sized bet I’m getting approximatley 3 to one pot odds. I then compare them to my odds if I am on a drawing hand to a flush or straight which I have also memorised. E.g we are on the turn, I’m on a flush draw and the chance of making my flush my the river is about 4 to 1. 

I know this is basic stuff but I’m open to any tips or advice. 

 

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Welcome!

I have a series on here called “Getting Off on the Right Foot” that should help with some of this. Maybe more importantly, though, I would encourage you to try to avoid a strategy/mindset of calling hoping to make hands. Poker, especially when you’re shallow (as in tournaments) is mostly not about making strong hands. It’s about building pots when you’re already ahead and trying to get fold equity when you aren’t. Often, if you have a draw, you should either play it aggressively (bet/raise) or fold rather than just call and hope that it gets there. Or at the very least, you should anticipate some profitable bluffing opportunities later if you do call and miss (eg is there a different draw that you could rep if it gets there?). Too often I think people just call when their hand needs improvement and don’t even think about aggression until they miss, at which point it’s often very obvious that they are bluffing because it wasn’t planned, more of an “Oh crap, now what am I going to do?” when you realize that pot is large and you’re stuck holding 9 high on the river.

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Foucault said
Welcome!

I have a series on here called “Getting Off on the Right Foot” that should help with some of this. Maybe more importantly, though, I would encourage you to try to avoid a strategy/mindset of calling hoping to make hands. Poker, especially when you’re shallow (as in tournaments) is mostly not about making strong hands. It’s about building pots when you’re already ahead and trying to get fold equity when you aren’t. Often, if you have a draw, you should either play it aggressively (bet/raise) or fold rather than just call and hope that it gets there. Or at the very least, you should anticipate some profitable bluffing opportunities later if you do call and miss (eg is there a different draw that you could rep if it gets there?). Too often I think people just call when their hand needs improvement and don’t even think about aggression until they miss, at which point it’s often very obvious that they are bluffing because it wasn’t planned, more of an “Oh crap, now what am I going to do?” when you realize that pot is large and you’re stuck holding 9 high on the river.  

Thankyou! 

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