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Hello guys, Somewhat new player and having a hard time, help would be appriciated.
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Hey guys, as the title says, I’m a somewhat new player and I’m having a real hard time, but I’m loving it.. (the game that is)

Long story short: I started playing poker like 6 years ago, and I immediately fell in love with poker,

However, I took real big shots and ended up like -$5,000 in like half a year, while still studying poker through Daniel Negreanu’s poker training site back then. I watched highstakes poker and I read a couple books and I felt I was above the game in skill level.

I lost my job and had a struggle with my economy due to the losses the poker gave me, but still I imagined that some day, I’d be able to win it all back + more, without having much trouble, since “Ah, these bad beats keeps getting me, let’s deposit another couple hundreds to win it back” .. – Alot of players probably have been there at one point, hopefully.

Anyways, I stopped playing poker all together, cus I was honest with myself.. I had a gambling problem.

I still kept up to par with the poker scene, without playing.

Up till last year, I found myself in a new thinking process. “I’m an adult now, I’m more responsible for my actions and will be more carefull not to get into the gambling scene, but I do love playing poker so why not give it another shot” .

I took a more serious approach to the game this time, Started talking to Dutch Boyd and Gripsed for more insight of what I can do, and watched their streams 24/7 whenever they played.

I joined their games and deposited about $100 on stars to have a starting bankroll (no, money aint an issue nowadays).

I watched tons of videoes and read loads of articles on different sites, including twoplustwo(Dont like the site anymore, due to the high amount of negativity. (that’s maybe only my opinion)

I also signed with you guys and immediately realizing my own potentials for the game, I watched videoes 8-10 hours per day, while having a full day job(still have the same job).

But had to suddenly take a break in January due to new appartement, new girlfriend and so on(you know how it goes).

But early this month I finally got back to poker and my girlfriend supports me more than 100% in my advantures, as long as I’ll buy her a new car or something like that (pun intended).

Now to my problem at hand, and probably alot of other players struggle with the same as me.

Even though I keep studying, I usually play 4-6 tables of SnG’s and MTT’s at once without much trouble, and have one of your videoes on my other screen on the go, to be able to listen to something to keep my mind of things(eg playing bad hands in bad positions etc.) I also had strong ADD, so my focus can easily jump from one thing to another, and this is where I seem to struggle the most, I dont really know what to do with this.

I have also lost a little bit of money the past month, and now I’m just gonna be honest and say it as it is.

I’m not good at following BRM (my ADD becomes a problem here, due to the focus problem, and that I’ll happily pay a little more to have some fun)

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As you can see on the chart, I’m down about $200 in about the same amount of tournaments,

I do tend to win some nice tournaments from time to time, but I keep playing above my BR.

So now I’m asking, after being dead honest about my past in poker, and now that I’m being more serious about my game.

Is there anyone out there that can help me out to maybe become a break-even, or maybe slight winning player?

What does it take from my side?

no, I do not have a gambling problem anymore, and I know my previous actions have been wrong.

I’d like to take both positive and negative feedback and please criticise me if you find the need to.

I need to learn and you guys are probably the best at doing so at my given time.

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I really applaud your honesty. I have a similar story to yours in that I have had several false starts with poker where I gave up in frustration and am now determined to stick with it and give it my best shot. 

As a relatively inexperienced player the only tips I can offer you are:

1. You may want to cut down your tables. I feel able to play 4 tables but until I get a lot more experience with ranges, hand reading etc, I force myself to play 2 max. Yes this can sometimes get boring but when I am not in a hand myself, I take the time to try and hand read my opponents around the table. If I play 4 tables, I miss this vital experience and as a tournament progresses, I get tired and end up on auto pilot, clicking buttons. 

2. Take time each day to work on your mental game. I recommend 2 books that have helped me. The first is “The mental game of poker” by Jared Tendler and the second is How to be a Poker player by Haseeb Qureshi. These will assist in building discipline and patience and help you stick within your limits.

 

I hope others can give you better advice and good luck with your game!

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JoStylin said
I really applaud your honesty. I have a similar story to yours in that I have had several false starts with poker where I gave up in frustration and am now determined to stick with it and give it my best shot. 

As a relatively inexperienced player the only tips I can offer you are:

1. You may want to cut down your tables. I feel able to play 4 tables but until I get a lot more experience with ranges, hand reading etc, I force myself to play 2 max. Yes this can sometimes get boring but when I am not in a hand myself, I take the time to try and hand read my opponents around the table. If I play 4 tables, I miss this vital experience and as a tournament progresses, I get tired and end up on auto pilot, clicking buttons. 

2. Take time each day to work on your mental game. I recommend 2 books that have helped me. The first is “The mental game of poker” by Jared Tendler and the second is How to be a Poker player by Haseeb Qureshi. These will assist in building discipline and patience and help you stick within your limits.

 

I hope others can give you better advice and good luck with your game!

Thanks alot for the reply, and yes, I am being dead honest, cus I’ve learned that if I’m being completly honest not only with myself but with others as well, I learn alot quicker and that for me, is ace 🙂

I am currently reading the first book you recommended, “The mental game of poker” by Jared Tendler, gotta say, so far it’s amazing how he puts things in such nice order that even I can understand most of his toughtprocess 🙂

So thanks again for the kind words, and for recommending the books, will for sure read both of them.

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I think the real issue is you just need to decide on a bankroll management strategy and find a way to stick with it, it sounds like you’re taking the game seriously and putting in lots of study time, but if you continuously play over your bankroll, even if you are a winning player, it’s easy to go completely bust before you get a chance to realise your true ROI, because your bankroll won’t be large enough to handle the swings of short term variance.

There’s plenty of bankroll strategies around, I’m sure you’ve read examples of a few, if not a simple Google search will give you plenty of reading time on the topic, but if sticking to it is your Achilles heel, than perhaps some form of ‘stop losses’ software might be the way to go. I haven’t tried one personally but I know of bankroll management software that you can specify rules for before you stop playing, regarding the number of buy ins you can make in a single session, the stakes you’re allowed to play, the maximum losses you can incur over a given period etc, and it interacts with the poker client to lock you out of games that you said you wouldn’t play, and forces you to take breaks after bombing x amount of MTTs in a single session etc. Again I haven’t tried any myself so investigate the available options thoroughly if you decide to go that way, but an example that just showed up for me on Google is called tiltbreaker, which claims to do all of the above things.

Aside from that review all your hands, post hands to the strategy forum when you find spots you’re not sure about (maybe seek advice both here and elsewhere for a diverse range of input), take advantage of software like Holdem Resources Calculator and Flopzilla- there’s a few TPE vids that cover them, and if you’ve done all of that and want to take it further, then I’d look at investing in coaching. 

Good luck at the tables!

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“no, I do not have a gambling problem anymore, and I know my previous actions have been wrong.”

Hey Garfieldno, and welcome.

Firstly, and I don’t really want to get too specific here, but unfortunately in my (thankfully distant now) past I came to know a great deal about serious addiction, but I just want to point out that knowing previous actions were wrong has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with being able to stop a compulsive behaviour. 

Further, I think it is dangerous to think that it does. Just a word of advice is all. 

The funny thing is…it was in overcoming my addiction that I got so in to poker! Some folk find religion, some exercise, some AA or NA. Well I discovered online poker, and as I got more into the thing and saw a future there, it helped to keep me sober. This might sound like a joke, but it is the absolute truth. It gave me something to hold on to when I had pretty much lost almost everything in my life that was precious to me. (Not quite…my wife and my mum stood by me, but I lost all my other family and 98%of my friends, and my professional career). 

When you next see the slogan “Poker saved my life”, don’t be so quick to assume its a joke. 

However, there are obviously dangers inherent in gambling for those with compulsive behavioural issues. Personally, I have never struggled with a gambling addiction, but this might be to do with the fact that I had got pretty good at controlling my impulses by the time I got into poker.

It may be that if you find your gambling problem flare up again, and find yourself losing control, that you simply cannot partake in any form of gambling ever again. However, if you are able to control it now, my advice would be…

Stick to small stakes to begin with, and build up your roll from there. Not sure what SNG MTTs you play but I started with the 8/15s on Stars. I still play them today, but I can beat them now. I wish when I started out that I had stuck with the (much softer) 2.50s. 

Those 8/15’s are extremely tough ICM/ Nash games, and are frequented regularly by established names in poker. Sometimes the games run at 70% regs.

So there…now I realise that whilst I’ve been typing this I am sitting out an $8 right now. I’ve probably been blinded out already! 

GL

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The Riceman said

“no, I do not have a gambling problem anymore, and I know my previous actions have been wrong.”

Hey Garfieldno, and welcome.

Firstly, and I don’t really want to get too specific here, but unfortunately in my (thankfully distant now) past I came to know a great deal about serious addiction, but I just want to point out that knowing previous actions were wrong has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with being able to stop a compulsive behaviour. 

Further, I think it is dangerous to think that it does. Just a word of advice is all. 

The funny thing is…it was in overcoming my addiction that I got so in to poker! Some folk find religion, some exercise, some AA or NA. Well I discovered online poker, and as I got more into the thing and saw a future there, it helped to keep me sober. This might sound like a joke, but it is the absolute truth. It gave me something to hold on to when I had pretty much lost almost everything in my life that was precious to me. (Not quite…my wife and my mum stood by me, but I lost all my other family and 98%of my friends, and my professional career). 

When you next see the slogan “Poker saved my life”, don’t be so quick to assume its a joke. 

However, there are obviously dangers inherent in gambling for those with compulsive behavioural issues. Personally, I have never struggled with a gambling addiction, but this might be to do with the fact that I had got pretty good at controlling my impulses by the time I got into poker.

It may be that if you find your gambling problem flare up again, and find yourself losing control, that you simply cannot partake in any form of gambling ever again. However, if you are able to control it now, my advice would be…

Stick to small stakes to begin with, and build up your roll from there. Not sure what SNG MTTs you play but I started with the 8/15s on Stars. I still play them today, but I can beat them now. I wish when I started out that I had stuck with the (much softer) 2.50s. 

Those 8/15’s are extremely tough ICM/ Nash games, and are frequented regularly by established names in poker. Sometimes the games run at 70% regs.

So there…now I realise that whilst I’ve been typing this I am sitting out an $8 right now. I’ve probably been blinded out already! 

GL

Wow, I dont know what to say.

Thanks alot for sharing your story, it means alot to me 🙂

I am totally aware of that SAYING that I dont have a problem anymore doesnt making it go away,

But I know by the fact that I am able to stick to (like you mentioned) smaller stakes,

The past month Ive been playing nothing more than $1 tournaments, either it being SNG or MTT’s,

For the most part I’m playing the 0.50 – 180mans, which I find really fun 🙂

In the past, when  I still had a serious gambling problem, I would spew off $400-500 per day, without even thinking about it.

and I  played cash back then, so it was more easy to do so.

Now I’m using the function on pokerstars that’s not letting me sign up for SNG or MTT’s more than a dollar at once, and It’s really helpful, because IF for some reason one day I’m going on tilt, and (hopefully not) suddenly want to gamble, the restriction is not letting me do so right away, it takes 7 days to “cool down” if I put the restriction off.

And by that time I’ve got enough time to think twice and realise that i still need to stick to my original BR plan 🙂

But again, thanks alot for the advice and thanks alot for sharing your story 🙂

 

GL in that tournament btw, haha! smile

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Thanks alot for the replies guys 🙂 I’ve started to really get a hold of myself now as it comes to my previous gambling problems..

Recently I’ve set a Buy-In limit on stars for myself, and I’ve managed to win alot of small MTTSNG’s + just now I won a ticket into a $11 tournament, which I unregged from to get some $T instead, so I really feel I got control of it now 🙂

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Hey again,

Glad to hear you are keeping things real there.

I was thinking about your predicament. I think – correction I know –  its an extremely  tough task to try to self-regulate and use in moderation a substance or behaviour one has lost control with in the past. Abstinence is very tough at first, but in the long run it becomes much easier to exercise control.

My wife suffered from bulimia previously, and she explained how hard she found it to regain control over her compulsion when she was forced to encounter her nemesis daily…we’ve all got to eat right?

I get sad sometimes when I pick up a book I’ve not read in a while. In the back of far too many of them are pen markings I put in. To anyone else, they would just look like a doodle. In fact they were markings I used to try to moderate and wean myself off my substance… a plan in code setting out that I’d use this amount this day, that the next, that the next and so on until I was clean. They never worked. Those markings are in the back of almost every book I owned for years. There is some heroism in those markings, although sadly I was always fighting a losing battle.

A guy tried talking some sense to me when I was fairly early into my addiction. I didn’t know him, he saw me in a bar and knew I was in a bad way, because he had been there himself. When I left he followed me outside to talk to me. I told him that I needed to stop by myself, that I wouldn’t accept help, that I was strong enough to beat this thing. He then spoke some words that would become very important to me in time. He told me “Sometimes it takes more courage to admit that you can’t do something”.

Although I heard the words that day, it would take me another ten years before I came to understand them. That was the day I asked for help.

 

So I do worry somewhat for you if you are consistently faced with temptation by default, simply because you love poker. If you find yourself struggling, just message me. I know a gambling addiction can wreak total havoc in someone’s life, I have seen it first hand. 

In fact Erick Lindgren, who has also famously struggled, has gone on record saying how tough it is to be a professional poker player with a gambling problem. 

Still, it seems you are doing ok for now! 

GL man.

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I feel like I’ve struggled through what you’ve gone through, for sure – not being able to stick to solid BRM. Especially having frequented the higher stakes at one point, it’s tough to feel motivated to play the micros with the potential of winning hardly anything, as it seems. 

I do believe that specific to Pokerstars (of all the poker sites I’ve played), they do offer an option for cash / MTT’s / SnG’s limits – so that you can’t register / play for games above the limits that you choose to set for yourself. Then, if you want to increase the limits, you have to wait a certain period of time (ie. 7 days) before the limits are increased. If you find yourself struggling with playing higher games, this might be a viable option to pursue. 

Also, reducing the number of tables you play (to 2-4) might help you apply the concepts better that you’ll be learning from this website, as you’ll be able to concentrate and think about the individual hands better and try to take everything into account (instead of jumping from one to the other).

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