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February 2, 2013
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Hi i am playing 6 max 25c/50 dollar online.
I am on a big downswing and my confidence is low.
UTG raises to 1.75 and has a stack of 130 dollars
I am UTG+1 and call with 10d 10c and have 100 dollars
Button, SB and BB also call. They all have 100 dollar stacks
Flop is 6d 3s 10s
sb checks
bb checks
UTG bets 4.38 into a pot of 13.13 which is on the small side for this game.
I raise to 13.26
3 folds and UTG calls
Turn Qs ( pot 35.27)
UTG checks
Hero?
I think I should have reraised bigger on the flop.
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December 6, 2012
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What was your reason for raising the flop? Why do you think it should have been bigger? (I'm not saying you shouldn't have, just want you to spell out your thinking so far)
February 2, 2013
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Sorry there was 8.75 in the pot on the flop and the villian bet 4.38 which now makes the pot 13.13.
I am raising on the flop because I want to charge flush draws more to see the turn.
Now there is 26.39 in the pot and it is only costing him 8.88 to call. I think I should make it a little bigger
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December 6, 2012
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I'd suggest watching (or rewatching) my Getting Paid series. Your primary concern with a hand this strong should not be charging draws. You should be thinking primarily in terms of getting value from second-best hands, and in this case overpairs are the clear choice for that. Your opponent's flop call most likely indicates either an overpair or a flush draw. Obviously you don't want to bet the turn if he had the draw, and if he had the overpair you aren't going to get two more bets out of him anyway, so I think this is a clear check.
I agree that a larger flop raise is probably good, but it's not because you didn't charge a flush draw “enough” (you did, he didn't have the right odds to call, especially considering that not all of his outs are life, and you certainly don't want him to fold). It's because you want to get more money into the pot against an overpair.
February 2, 2013
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Thanks Andrew for the great advice.
I bet 17.64 on the turn into a pot of 35.27 and he reraised me to 53. So now it is costing me 35 dollars to call. My reasoning was that if I checked, he would smell weakness and bomb the river. I felt straight away that I should have checked the flop though I can't say for sure if I would have thought that way if he folded. I did fold.
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December 6, 2012
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“My reasoning was that if I checked, he would smell weakness and bomb the river. “
With what?
February 2, 2013
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With a flush or a bluff representing a flush
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December 6, 2012
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What I’m trying to ask you is WHAT he could be bluffing with? What is the hand that would bet the flop, call a raise, check turn, and then bluff river? You are too focused on what you want your opponent to do or what you hope he doesn’t do rather than on what his range might look like and how your actions will change it. I’d actually recommend starting with my Hand Reading series before you watch the Getting Paid series.
February 2, 2013
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Ok it took me a while to think about what you are asking. I definitely could not think of what he could bluff with on the river in actual game time. looking at it now, it is hard to come up with a hand that he could be bluffing with on the river. Maybe AA or KK with a spade. I bet because i wanted to charge AA and KK containing a spade. I also can get value from 66 and 33. Looking at it now, I agree with you that I should have checked the turn. I then would have got a free card to fill a house. But by betting I did find out where I was in the hand or at least I think I did. Do you think when he raises my turn bet that he has me beat?. If I did check the turn and the river comes a brick and villain bets pot, do I call ?. Would he ever bet 66,33, AA or KK on a safe river card ?.
August 25, 2014
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On the flop, your thought process should involve thinking about what you want to get value from (overpairs. sets. flushdraws) and what hand you want to represent that you have (i.e a bluff – a weaker overpair, a flush draw, a straight draw). You should also consider what you would do if he reraises. In general, being in a multiway pot you generally don't want to be slowplaying this hand so i like a flop raise. Try to consider what you want to get called by specifically and what your trying to represent specifically and other decisions will become a lot easier because you've narrowed his range of hands down.
You really shouldnt be betting in cash games to “find out where I was” and you also shouldn't be worried about getting bluffed by one or two combos of cards when villain had to call the flop with a decent portion of strong hands to get to the river in the first place. The question is whether or not he is bluffing enough relative to the amount that he value bets, to give you the odds to call. It's ok to get bluffed sometimes.
June 1, 2012
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Andrew is right to a point. However, his thinking in poker is more expoitative and mine is more to do with playing optimally. What you want to be doing is catergerising your range into value hands and bluffing hands.
Flop: I think your play is decent. I probaly like a call better to protect your calling range but a raise is fine especially multiway. I would certainly raise pocket 33s, call with 10s and 66s. For bluffs i would be raise 9,8 7,8,4,5 some flushes draws which dont have showndown value like As,5h but not a hand like Ks,Qs.
Turn: I think 10s here needs to turn into a check. Genrally when betting a flush completing turn you want to be betting with flushes and blockers and check behind everything else, and continue to bluff off with the hands i stated above. The reason you do this as it prevents your opponents from profitably bluff raising you off your hands.
River: With 10s here i would be calling with any reasonable size bet with the majority of my check behind range and raising with my full houses flushes and some bluffs. Not sure what those bluffs would be though. Anything with As of spade blocker would be an obvious candiate.
As played though from a expoitative standpoint if we look at the population tendencies of 50nl i don't think many villians at 50nl are bluffing that often in this capacity so i think the fold is good. Well played hero.
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