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October 6, 2010
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I think i should have just folded on the turn but i only really lose to a set here, which really sucks. advice on every street would be great. my turn and river sizing was pretty small but i wanted JJ and QQ to call here.
Cassava Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em – 5 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Evonyguy (UTG): BB = Infinity, $65.58
Hero (CO): BB = Infinity, $197.52
Liam1215 (BTN): BB = Infinity, $182.07
McNitus (SB): BB = Infinity, $50.69
I_Like_Bacon (BB): BB = Infinity, $121.17
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K
K
Evonyguy calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, Liam1215 calls $2.25, 1 fold, I_Like_Bacon calls $1.75, Evonyguy calls $1.75
Flop: ($9.25) 7
4 9 (4 players)
I_Like_Bacon checks, Evonyguy checks, Hero bets $5.50, Liam1215 calls $5.50, I_Like_Bacon folds, Evonyguy folds
Turn: ($20.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Liam1215 raises to $33, Hero calls $24
River: ($86.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $33, Liam1215 raises to $141.32, Hero folds
Really looks like combo draw to me 68 or 810 or just flush draw top part of AX range. I think his three bet sizing on the turn is way to large. Looks like he is just trying to end the hand. Almost seems like he has air. Did you think about a 4 bet on the turn? I just think a set would only 3 bet small because of all the value he could be missing on river plus he has position on you.
kk vs 3 players is difficult especially when you and your opponent are that deep, i would have played pot control from the turn on
check call the turn and same on the river.
if i deceide to bet the turn i would have bet more, close to 3/4 pot but when he raises i fold (unless i have no special history or reads on him), sounds tight but there will come better situations for deepstackplay i guess.
October 6, 2010
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badabing78 said:
kk vs 3 players is difficult especially when you and your opponent are that deep, i would have played pot control from the turn on
check call the turn and same on the river.
if i deceide to bet the turn i would have bet more, close to 3/4 pot but when he raises i fold (unless i have no special history or reads on him), sounds tight but there will come better situations for deepstackplay i guess.
yeah this is what i think is the best play in hindsight. because of my smaller bets, i was just guessing for the rest of the hand really
June 11, 2010
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His line looks a lot like an overpair playing poorly deep. His call on the flop isn't particularly odd or out of line, but what is the raise on the turn really accomplishing? The 2 isn't really a card I would expect to change anything, and it showing up in a 2 pair hand would be really clowny so I wouldn't expect to see that. A set here is a possibility given the depth of a cash game, but I think it is also very likely that you could be looking at 88, TT, JJ, QQ, AK, AQ those types of hands that feel comfortable on the board and want to push off a draw. Your line through your turn bet could be a draw trying to protect itself as well as a made hand so his raise there isn't indicative of a value raise in my opinion. The 2 on the river is another blank to me and his jam over you is really weird. I am not sure what hands he is value betting like that with as he hasn't given you any real decision (you have the opportunity to play perfectly). I think as the dynamic played out folding there is fine.
As for how I would have played it through I bet both the flop and the turn. The flop call is standard and I don't believe there is any real information you glean by his call so I don't think I change my turn plan of barreling a favorable card and checking a questionable card to see what he does. When I get raised on the turn I am not sure what I can credit him for so I want to see what he does on the river. I check/decide on the river. If he puts out a real small bet on the river I think I call for the information. If we lose there we learned a lot about what his line means and that is going to pay off a lot later on down the line. If he puts in a standard sized bet you can call there safely I think as well. If he just jams I am not sure I am going to call off my stack even though I am not sure what I can credit him for as his line doesn't really make sense for anything that beats you really. I don't see sets playing like this. Curious what he did have here…
grunch…
I'm not a cash game expert…I don't even win in cash games yet. However…
The betsizing in this hand is driving me nuts. It is way too small for a cash game. Bets should be more like 3/4 pot to full pot, especially this deep.
There are more combos of bluffs (a shit-ton of missed draws) than of value hands in villain's range, especially when he raises the river (which probably rules out smaller overpairs). I know the small bets are supposed to get value from smaller overpairs, but they also could induce bluffraises. (But who knows if he's capable of putting in a pot-sized raise on the river as a bluff. An average 50nl villain probably has a boat here.)
March 8, 2013
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I don't like check/call the turn. He could definitely have a lot of draws here, and you don't want to give him a free card. However, after he raises the turn, what do you put him on?” Not still JJ, QQ, right? Seems clear he has a set, draw, or air. Clearly he's never folding a boat on the river, so I hate the river bet. Probably check/call the river, maybe check/fold if you don't think he bluffs enough.
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