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I generally dont post live hands, especially not cash, but this hand has been on my mind 24/7 and I just want to hear others on it.
Motor City Casino $5/10 NLHE
The game plays up to $2k deep and many people choose to buy in 1200-1500. I always max buy and fill up as well. My image in general with the rotating regulars at this game is that I am batshit crazy and honestly my game is probably not well-respected by most there. The villain in question is an older Detroit local, quiet guy who has only been coming to the game for a month or so. I didn't know this at the time so for the most part we can just assume no history. He's only been at the table for 2 orbits, and thus far I would treat him as a “standard old man” but maybe ranging slightly tighter preflop.
At the start of this hand I have everyone covered with in excess of $3500 in my stack.
UTG1 limps, as does UTG2, Villain overlimps with about $1700 from MP. I overlimp button with 7c7d. I chose not to open bc the limpers were from early position, my raise would have to be about $50-75 IMO and if we saw a 4-5 way flop their StackToPot would be like 2.5-4:1, which is incredibly annoying when u have a hand like 77 and dont flop a set. Also I don't really think it accomplishes too much, as they generally limp/call their entire limping range and on occasion will limp/raise huge and blow me off my hand and position. SB folds and BB checks.
5 ways: $55
Flop KdTd7x checked to villain, second-to-last-to-act, who bets $35, I make it $110. He wastes no time calling.
Turn 5x He checks, I bet $225, he check/raises to $725, leaving himself $600 behind.
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May 30, 2012
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completely agree with preflop. he has all the combos of 1010, QJdd AJdd AQdd 89dd KQo and maybe half of AK when he bet/calls the flop.
his turn range becomes 1010 since i dont expect TP or draws to raise us from a nitty reg so i guess we fold. tho it would only take 2 or 3 combos of draws to change this.
I personally couldnt find a fold here but then again im a fish but i just think theres more hands your beating that he over bets with than beating you.
He literally never has KK so the only hand beating you is TT, if he knows your image then he may think his AK or KT is good, or could just think that his QJdd/89dd has so much equity he wants to go with it
With TT dont you think he would 3-bet the flop on such a wet board cause theres a ton of scare cards that can come on the turn??
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December 6, 2012
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Unless you have some reason to think he would overlimp KK a significant % of the time or that he wouldn't play KT this way (in which case why would you be posting it?!) I can't see folding. I wouldn't even eliminate K5s entirely – in my experience a lot of these nitty guys are still loose for small investments pre-flop, they just don't like to play big pots with one pair.
It's worth pointing out as well that if you aren't sure what to do, you should go with the hand simply because it's the very top of your range (though arguably the combo draws are better candidates for being the very best hands to continue with). I don't imagine you overlimp TT?
October 21, 2012
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I just get it in here, although slightly tighter than the standard old man and checkraising with no history is scary as hell here.
After your turn bet, there is $500 in the pot and he has $1325 behind. What reasons can we conclude that he chose to reraise instead of shoving here or should we treat them as the same?
Also, for what reasons would a combo draw be better to have than a set in this spot?
loxxii said:
I just get it in here, although slightly tighter than the standard old man and checkraising with no history is scary as hell here.
After your turn bet, there is $500 in the pot and he has $1325 behind. What reasons can we conclude that he chose to reraise instead of shoving here or should we treat them as the same?
Also, for what reasons would a combo draw be better to have than a set in this spot?
Foucault is stating that combo draws would be better to have here because they expect to fare better versus the top of villains range (namely sets that would dominate 77). With 77 I'd have one out when beat (and be fading 2 or 4 outs when ahead), where as with a combo draw I'd most likely have 14 outs or so face up with one card to come.
July 5, 2012
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just can't fathom what hands that beat you, that are just flatting your raise on the flop, on such a draw-heavy board.
is he really slow playing, and hoping the turn is a blank, so he can trap you?
Just seems like a super weird line. That being said…..what the hell do we beat here when he bets this much on the turn?
if you folded, your a sicko…if you called, and lost to 10 10…I still think it's unlucky.
when he doesn't raise the flop, I'm rarely finding a fold on the turn.
well played him, maybe.
side note: were you, or either of the blinds squeeze happy? if so, then KK does become part of his range
August 23, 2012
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It is a limped pot preflop. Villain overlimped preflop which is why the posters above never expect him to have KK.
August 23, 2012
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It is a limped pot and villain overlimped preflop. That is why the above posters think he never has KK and the only other hand that beats us is TT.
I think we just have to go with the hand because like Andew said, we are literally at the top of our range unless we sometimes overlimp TT. Considering game theory, we would become extremely exploitable if started folding in spots like this. A lot of you guys are discounting draws from his range because he would be more likely to 3b flop and not bet/call flop and x/r blank turns. I think it is possible that he had a pure flushdraw on the flop and turned more equity and decided to play it fast. Two combos I can think of are 86dd and 64dd. It's not a lot of combos, but everyone matters when the only hand that beats you is 3 combos.
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