June 15, 2014
Played at a cash table in Sydney Australia last night, details as follows
Blinds $3 $3.
Villian 1 UG
Villian 2 EP+1
Villian 3 High Jack
Hero BTN J 9
Preflop:
UG raises to $6, those listed above play, all others fold
Flop:
5 3 10
Villian 1 UG bets $10
Villian 2 EP+1 calls
Villian 3 High Jack calls
Hero BTN calls
Turn:
5 3 10 7
Villian 1 UG checks
Villian 2 EP+1 checks
Villian 3 High Jack checks
Hero BTN bets $15
Villian 1 UG folds
Villian 2 EP+1 folds
Villian 3 High Jack folds
The table was quite agro with a lot of people calling 3bets preflop and always playing through to at least the turn.
I only called the raise post flop because I was fairly certain that if I re-raised I would of lost at least 2 of the players and possibly got re-raised and lost my pot odds.
Should I have also checked the turn and bet the river seeing as they were likely to be feeling for the flush draw? I thought a conservative bet from the BTN would look like a position bet and would induce a bluff from someone… especially with these players who were super agro with top pair and 2 pair in every other hand, unfortunatley it didn't work.
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
Neither the min-raise nor the calls pre-flop suggests strength, so I'd be very tempting to squeeze this pre, especially if stacks are on the deep side.
I also think you should raise the flop. You talk about “losing” people as though you want them to stay in with you, but if you can take the pot down now or even get it heads up and win with a bet on the next street, that's a great outcome. Why do you think someone is going to reraise you? No one has shown much strength yet, the PFR bet $10 into a $30 pot (less rake), and everyone else just called. If you make it $50, how strong of a hand do you think someone would need to reraise?
The turn bet should be larger. Your goal when you have a huge hand shouldn't be to induce a bluff. You can watch my Getting Paid series for a lot more on this concept. But remember on the flop you were afraid someone was going to reraise and now you are worried they won't even call a half-pot bet? Seems like you are always thinking in terms of worst-case scenarios instead of putting people on ranges and predicting how they will actually play the hands they are likely to have. Among other things, your bet is too small such that anyone with a bigger heart than yours can correctly draw.
Just because everyone folded this time doesn't mean you made a mistake. You won't always win a big pot when you have a big hand.
June 15, 2014
They were playing any broadway and most pocket pairs.
I knew that nobody hit a set on the flop and that they weren't likely to have a pair either, they were definitely fishing on the turn card. I caught a good tell off 2 of the players so I knew they had some high cards in their hands, nothing like K rag or A rag. When the turn card came down I didn't get a read to see if anyone connected but knew the flop was pretty terrible for the range I had them on.
In regards to stack sizes 2 out of the 3 villians had around $1000 each, I had $200 and the other villian had the same, maybe a little more.
I didn't raise prior to the turn because I'd been watching them re-raise $100 to blow the short stacks off hands and smash their pot odds on draws. A K and Q were all in their range and as you know I only had a J so I was a little timid on raising too much prior to making the flush.
If I raised $25 pre and got callers (say 2), then raised the flop $35, which would of likely got me re-raised $100 I would of had to go all in seeing as I would of been so committed and I hadn't even made the flush yet.
Also $15-30 raise at the turn seemed to be the table standard to see 5th st too (when there wasn't much action preflop and postflop), I wasn't expecting all to fold as they were so agro they played through to the river 90% of hands previously.
Is the advice here that I am not being aggressive enough preflop and postflop with a draw heavy hand?
I was trying a tactic that I heard on one of the old podcasts. That being my $15 into $64 looked pretty weak and just a position raise so I was hoping to get one of the deep stacks calling/raising me and then I would of got it in on the river.
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