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$.25 NL Full Ring -- JJ from CO in a multiway pot

Willmatic

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January 14, 2014 - 10:55 pm

Hey everyone! I have a question about everyone’s favorite hand, pocket J’s. Below is the hand replayed.

Merge – $0.25 NL – Holdem – 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $23.40
BTN: $36.42 (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 2.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 161)
SB: $26.02 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: $24.65 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: $33.85 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG+1: $25.00 (VPIP: 18.70, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 124)
MP: $20.90 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J spade J heart

fold, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero raises to $0.90[/color], BTN calls $0.90, fold, BB calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.80, 3 players) 3 diamond 5 diamond 4 diamond
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.80, 3 players) 4 spade
[color=red]BB bets $1.40[/color], Hero calls $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

River: ($7.00, 3 players) 8 spade
[color=red]BB bets $5.25[/color], Hero calls $5.25, fold

I wondering if I played this too passively in a multi-way pot. I didn’t have a read on any of the players in the hand so I had them credit for middle pocket pairs and broadway cards (possibly suited connected as low as JT).

I figured I stand a good chance to be ahead or WAY behind and crushed, but my decision to call and evaluate on the river hinged on the types of hands I felt good bet that turn from the blinds, which include one pair flush draws, as well as A-high flush draws. There aren’t a ton of 4 and 5s in the ranges of the players involved, expected pocket 4s and 5s.

When the boards pairs on the turn, I figure I may still be ahead if I already am, since most of the hands in these players hands haven’t improved beyond mine.

The river blanks so I feel comfortable calling this bet, even though I have to fold to a raise from the button. Based on the action in the hand, I put the bb on a smaller pocket pair here, like 66+. I doubt he bets here with a naked A, as there aren’t many aces in his range that hit this board, even if he has the Ad. I didn’t feel a raise on the river was profitable as worst hands fold.

Did I way this well here? Where could I possibly have played this better. (I’ll post the results later.)

markconkle

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January 16, 2014 - 7:48 am

I would definitely bet the flop here. They are going to have flush draws, overpairs that you beat, and aces for gutshots which are all likely to call you. As played I can't see folding the turn or river, as hands as weak as A5 look pretty good against the way you and UTG have played, so his value range is huge, not to mention when he might be bluffing with a draw that missed.

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January 16, 2014 - 6:38 pm

markconkle said:

I would definitely bet the flop here. They are going to have flush draws, overpairs that you beat, and aces for gutshots which are all likely to call you. As played I can't see folding the turn or river, as hands as weak as A5 look pretty good against the way you and UTG have played, so his value range is huge, not to mention when he might be bluffing with a draw that missed.

Thanks for the advice!

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January 17, 2014 - 10:27 am

Here's how the hand ended by the way:

BB shows  8 8  (Full House, Eights full of Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 44%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows  J J  (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 81%, Flop 56%, Turn 77%)
BB wins $16.53

michae1di11on

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January 17, 2014 - 2:53 pm

Preflop I think both players ranges are capped, meaning I think button has a perfect spot to 3bet AK, QQ+ here as he would be 3betting light in this spot a lot. Also BB is likely to squeeze those hands too as he'll be squeezing light against co open/button call a lot . So I think BB is unlikely to have AQ+, TT+ here.

I would bet the flop as we can get called by lower overpairs/A high draws and not be too happy with our hand facing a big c/r. However, I'd be more likely to check back flop if we had J diamonds as we could get value from button hitting a 9/T high flush with TT or 99 etc.

On the turn I like a call as BB can be value betting sets and betting A high flush draws.

On river I would proabably fold. His sizing screams of value (he could bet smaller and get you to fold the same range) and i think people are much less likely to bluff out of position into 2 people without a good reason. If button folds the turn, I'm calling the BB river bet. I'm not saying it's an easy fold but I can't see him value betting worse than JJ with that sizing or bluffing into 2 people so I fold. He's also value betting sets, any 4 and all flushes.

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