Bigdogpckt5’s Sunday Million Back to Back Win Hand History Review – Week 2 (Part 2)
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packallama
26:19 – Set over set over set!!!
Mig
Shipsky & Hutch!
duggs
@2:30 where you 3bet A10o as a bluff, why do you choose A10o to do this with? would you be doing it with any Ax and it just so happens to be the top of your bluff range?
duggs
isnt cbetting like 100% pretty exploitable, non optimal, and also non profitable in alot of spots?
jamo
02:13 – We need about 30% equity to make this call and even if we add a tonne of diamond draw + straight draw combos together with hands that beat us 44,TT,88,AA,A8,AT we’re only getting about 20%. If we fold, we’re left with 8,151. If we call, we win 26,002 (20% of the time), which is 5,200.4 and are eliminated 80% of the time! So folding is a much better proposition than calling from a purely cEV perspective and in terms of tournament preservation too. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
duggs
add in all the offsuit combos of AJ, add some random Ax combos, remove AA, discount 88/44 for not raising flop. i think he can also have way weaker draws on this turn and it isnt limited to nutty draws.
its gross and close but I think you are also underestimating the bump in equity from those chips gained, especially in a structure like the sunday mill
bigdogpckt5s
I mean if you dont have any info on the opponent. I think you need to try it a couple times on everyone. People fold to c-bets all the time even in todays game. Obviously if you have a opponent that is not having it then you have to adjust. I think c-betting in almost all cases is never bad.
duggs
but cbetting where the flop smashes our opponents ranges, and we have virtually no equity when called. if we arent getting the minimum required number of folds to make it breakeven its a losing play?
bigdogpckt5s
well your a much better player then me if you can gage ranges this well.
bigdogpckt5s
Also chances are if it smashed your opponents range then it probrably hit what he thinks is your raising range as well.
duggs
Think this is a pretty inappropriate post from a site pro to a member.
duggs
30min, i dont really understand how AQ river bet can ever be for value? what worse hands call?
bigdogpckt5s
lol what are you talking about. Im simply saying that I cant range peoples hands that accurately all the time to be able to know it smashed their range. How is this inappropriate? If it came off poorly that wasnt intention. I was simply saying what I just typed
duggs
to clarify, you refer to it as a blocker/value bet, but then talk about better hands that may fold. so does this mean its really a blocker/bluff/fold a chop bet?
bigdogpckt5s
You know ive been sitting stewing about your comment that its an inappropriate post from a site pro to a member. I just cant hold my tongue. I think thats an absolute joke especially coming from you. You can hardly find a video on this entire site that you havent made a comment suggesting alternate lines or just that you would rather do this or isnt this better etc. And I make an innocent comment suggesting a rebutal to one of your replies you come back with that. You dont find it a little hypicritical that you can critique everyones play with what is perceived to be derrogatory comments and I dont even say anything directly against you and you get all offended. I love each and every member of tpe. However that doesnt mean im not a human being. If your so offended duggs I will personally pay you back every single cent you have paid on tpe and you can leave. I want you as a member however the same token im not gonna wear kid gloves around you because you are sensitive. You wanna critique my play fine I have 0 issues. But im going to rebuttle from time to time and if your just a weeee to bit sensitive to handle that maybe you should take the refund and leave.
loxxii
Hey bigdog, since you are here. I actually had a question on the first vid in this series about when to be passive or aggro with a big stack. It’s been weighing on my mind for a few days. Please help me out with that one. I think I pretty much understood all the spots in this one.
Thanks man.
bigdogpckt5s
Hey loxi it really depends on tourney and table. Sometimes I like to be real patient when I get over 100bbs. However sometimes if the table is extreamly passive its ok to keep the foot on the peddle. Its just a feel thing
W1ispher
I am so glad bigdogs told us what he thought on “duggsgate” and did not pussyfoot with his thoughts on the matter after all that WHAT I PAY MY SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR A TPE PROS PROPER THOUGHTS. Having looked at previous videos it is clear the Duggs is determined to TRY and find fault in what the TPE pros says(just look at the times he replies to the effect that aftreter due consideration he(Duggs) has got it wrong . Remember Duggs poker is not an exact science and the TPE pros tell us their thought process at the time(which is what i want) and on odd occasions we can all pick holes in their thought process with the BENEFIT OF THINKING LONG AND HARD ABOUT THE PARTICULAR POINT, but it is clear to me that you particularly Dugg get some sense of perverse pleasure in doing so. Our instant thought process is what we make our poker decision on and this i repeat is what i want to hear from the TPE pros. In any event, whatever your thoughts on that particular point are quite clearly and correctly(in my view) dealt with in bigdogs further comments..if you think it smashed your opponents range then he must be thinking same about bigdogs range. On a more relaxed note, it is nice to see bigdogs offering to kindly repay your TPE subscriptions if you you are offended and i may have to BECOME OFFENDED by bigdogs in the event of me losing my bankroll lol
W1ispher
Also, I fail to understand how you could think of bigdogs comments as inappropriate he simply said what he thought(“it is what it is” as his videos say)
ashj22
At 2013.03.27 08:13, bigdogpckt5s said:
You know ive been sitting stewing about your comment that its an inappropriate post from a site pro to a member. I just cant hold my tongue. I think thats an absolute joke especially coming from you. You can hardly find a video on this entire site that you havent made a comment suggesting alternate lines or just that you would rather do this or isnt this better etc. And I make an innocent comment suggesting a rebutal to one of your replies you come back with that. You dont find it a little hypicritical that you can critique everyones play with what is perceived to be derrogatory comments and I dont even say anything directly against you and you get all offended. I love each and every member of tpe. However that doesnt mean im not a human being. If your so offended duggs I will personally pay you back every single cent you have paid on tpe and you can leave. I want you as a member however the same token im not gonna wear kid gloves around you because you are sensitive. You wanna critique my play fine I have 0 issues. But im going to rebuttle from time to time and if your just a weeee to bit sensitive to handle that maybe you should take the refund and leave.
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W1ispher
Duggs, Duggs i just remembered you said cbetting was “non profitable in alot of spots” ,Surely even you will now admit,YOU CANNOT BE RIGHT HERE? go on be brave Dugg
W1ispher
If not perhaps you need to notify Barry Greenstien he has got it wrong all these years
duggs
firstly, I didnt say i was offended. I just said that I think that post was a bit inappropriate and I would have said the same thing had it been said to anyone else, sarcastic retorts arent the same as disagreeing about hands/theories/concepts in videos, as the latter actually has a purpose.
Im sorry if you perceive my comments to be derogatory, that definitely isnt my intent.
bigdogpckt5s
Its all good duggs. Sometimes these things dont come off in a chat window like we intend them too. Which perhaps happened to both of us on our messages.
duggs
still think its not profitable to cbet into 2 opponents with wide ranges on wet boards with next to no equity. you are welcome to post some reasoning or analysis why this isnt the case.
W1ispher
well i think you have covered one spot adequately. However you did state cbetting “non profitable in ALOT of spots”.
loxxii
That makes sense. Thanks man.
gutbuster200
It’s the most bog standard call, If u are folding in these spots you are losing money!
gutbuster200
I think it folds out a lot of Ak,AQ,Ax hands, I am not a mind reader but if think big dogs comment about the blocker bet, means he thinks a lot of the time his hand is good but he doesn’t want to call a pot size bet on the river. The villain showed weakness so imo bet!
bigdogpckt5s
At times i choose not to c-bet. However I never think its an awful play even into 2 or 3 opponents. Especially if you have the stack size to make a c-bet. I never think its a awful choice. I have c-bet into 3 and 4 oppenents at times and it has gotten through. Sometimes multiple opponents make your c-bet look stronger.
duggs
no i completely agree and play the hand exactly the same way i just dont see worse calling all that often. i expect his better but overall pretty weak range to fold heaps
duggs
yea that kinda goes with the principle that its generally less of a mistake to be too aggressive than too passive isnt it?
W1ispher
no one mentioned dependant on opponents chip stack….i always c betting if both players in pot with me each have 1 chip
ex6tence
Noone mentioned about cbetting that if we cbet like 1/2 of a pot, we need to win once out of 3 times to break even. If on average we win more than ~1 out of 3, we make it profitable.
Nowdays standard cbet sizing in MTTs is mostly less than 1/2 potsize, like 2/5 the pot. So its even more profitable to cbet 🙂
HoneyBakedPiglet
At 19:00, your shove made sense to me considering the history up to that point. Cannotletgo is a thinking player capable of 3-bet/folding so he’s not going to be involved without a monster. You still have suckout potential if he does. The more important thing I saw was that Alberto Ka had yet to fold preflop once he had put chips into the pot. If there’s a significant chance he’ll either call off his stack preflop or call a smaller raise then fold to a bet postflop, I’d rather try to get it in preflop. Only change is I’d raise to the amount of the biggest remaining stack rather than shoving. Sometimes fish see the “all-in” and get scared off but don’t realize a smaller raise that’s the size of their stack is the same thing. Alberto Ka did end up folding but it was a decent attempt to get him to stack off light.
Dazboo
‘Worst play I’ve seen in the history of poker’…..been laughing for 15mins!!!! Hahaha…guy with the 2 ducks with your Kings…Classic..
Lagrange
At 24:30 where you raise isolate with the JJ are you willing to call a shove from the 30000 to 40000 stacks in the table?
bhurst
I have been a TPE member for roughly 2 yrs and have never posted but due to all this Duggsgate I feel compelled to say a few things. I have been playing poker semi prof for roughly 5 yrs and have tried several training sites including paying thousands for coaching in vegas to other online pros whom I wont mention any names. After joining this site for roughly $20 a month it has boosted my game and win rate tremendously!! After watching BigDog walk you through these trnys and explaining as he does in such detail along with all the other great videos I think it is completely ridiculous to say anything negative after all the work they put in to help us with our mtt games. Just want to say thanks Bigdog and crew for everything!!! I think I speak for 99.9% of the TPE nation when I say you guys are awesome and I plug you guys wherever I play live or elsewhere. Keep up the great work. GLGL to all of you
Clarke206
The KJdd hand at 10:13…do we hate 3b/folding? Pretty new to the site but I think I’d take that line and wondering what you guys think. Leak? Maximize fold equity every time here? What range would he be 4bet shoving?
Clarke206
You have to call here. You’re putting a lot of hands in his range that were eliminated (or at least severely discounted) based on his preflop flat. The draws make up a huge % of his hands.
Clarke206
Yeah, I think it was slightly misstated…blocker/bluff/fold seems right to me. Not that I speak for bigdog but seems to make sense.
DLostAlRiver
I consider a blocking bet being a value bet. In that spot I can´t think in a worst hand he paid the river bet so I don´t think it´s a blocking bet. If bigdog says he´s trying to make a better hand fold it should be a bluff bet. I´m sure he knows the differences between both type of bets and I think it was just a “misspeling”
PD: This is my first post at this website, I hope to learn a lot here, sorry for my english 🙂
DLostAlRiver
Hi again
One question for Bigdog… don´t you use any hud? Why don´t you review hands with it? I think it would be more usefull!!!
PD: I suppose this a topic spoken previously but I´m new at TPE, sorry for that 🙂
acesfull44
They were all in pre though. But sick run out for sure.
Audashus
Hey Big dog…thanks for the direct approach to explaining things and also the honesty about not always being able to either place hand ranges perfectly or even having the time to do so. Question is in a live deepstack MTT how much do you differ your play from on-line due to live reads, tells etc. I’ve played EPTs and UKIPTs for 2 years doing pretty good and am looking to lift my game. Thanks for the guidance.
EstoEsPenarol
Good vid but seems unvelievable to me that a grand player like you say that 99 is the best hand in PS to set. Thats a line of thought that fishes use! (“this is my fav hand”, “i cant lose with XX”, “I felt it coming so I shipped XX”, etc), the pros must know that that is nonsense!
Archythanoz
The posts are just as good as the vids,
BBaton
like your vids. thanks a lot !
Radriguez
ya whats up with the 99 thing?
JoStylin
Hi Big dog, great series and always enjoy your videos and stream. I just have a quick question. At 2:15 when you call in with AQ on a top pair flop, how dangerous did you consider that move to be? I am a relatively new player but I have a coach that has always taught me in that situation, having 1 pair is not enough. Sometimes I feel that is too nitty but wanted the opinion of the big man himself. What factors did you consider that would make this a profitable play?