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xtremeungar
In the 69o hand is one of those spots where we know we have to fold given the information he is giving us yet we still call to keep our opponent “honest” when in reality he is been super honest!! He is telling us he is got the hand. Last time I was in this same spot I called with the under-full as well and was shown quads… which makes more sense…. opening limping 88(not me!) and playing it weakly then showing huge strength later on other streets. My only real problem with this is when our opponents turn their hands into semi-bluffs by doing this with flushes on that board or even A highs… WE HAVE TO BE DISCIPLINED in these spots and just fold it… go to the next hand
terbet11
Yet another great vid!
Foucault
Well said xtreme. This may well be the subject of future videos, but when it comes to “keeping him honest”, I would translate that to mean never folding the top of your range. In other words, you need to think about how your current hand fits into the entire range of hands you would play in the same way. If you can think of a number of stronger hands you would play this way, then it’s probably safe to fold the hand you have. In this case, you could easily have an overfull yourself, so it’s fine to fold the underfull. If for some reason you would never play a higher full house this way, and especially if you believed your opponent knew that, that could be cause to “keep him honest” here. In short, you want to pick and choose your spots to play sheriff.
Elbeto87
In the Q9o hand, on the river you excluded entirely bluff hands. Do you think that because his line is not consistenly? Which monster hand do you think he can have?
theginger45
@Elbeto897, I think in the Q9 hand the problem is that he just can’t be check/calling OOP with a hand that needs to bluff on the river. In order to have absolute air on that board he literally has to have J7 or 76. That means in order to be bluffing, he has to have turned something with showdown value like a weak ace or king into a bluff. However, it doesn’t really seem like he would call with many weak kings or aces preflop, so on the river it just seems like he has exactly AQ or KQ. That was my read anyway, I don’t wanna hijack Foucault. Great video!
Foucault
No need to apologize for making my job easier! You said exactly what I was going to say, quite a bit sooner than I would have gotten around to saying it. Thanks for that, and I imagine Elbeto thanks you as well!
gerard
16:41 A9s bet river for value?Tell me about calling range?
Foucault
Worse 9s, 6s, small pocket pairs. He can occasionally have better as well, but not often enough I don’t think. I think value betting is clearly better than the alternatives of check-calling or check-folding.
piefarmer
Very helpful examples. I liked the first hand (KJ) on your second run through where you are bluffing since villains don’t have monsters. I was assuming the river 8 was not a blank (thinking it could be part of villain’s pair plus draw range), but after watching your explanation twice, I think I understand your point (trips are rare and it doesn’t make a straight).
BadBeatFil
Very nice vid! Especially the hand where hero rivered a double pair (Q up) and the eliminating of hand ranges indicated a fold. It would not have been the first time I would call and the blame the fact that I rivered a double pair. I had to blame myself.
Thanx for the insight.
BadBeatFil
I’m sorry. But as a dutch speaking Belgian, I am not familiar with the term “keeping the opponent honest”. Can someone explain it ?
Thanx
Foucault
It means making sure he isn’t bluffing.
Foucault
Carlos asked me this question elsewhere, but it pertains to this video, so I wanted to answer it here.
“At 18:00, the flop is 688. We have 96o in the the BB and it’s checked around to a limper 3 way. You say this is a good spot to check to induce a bluff rather than value bet, which I understand.
My question is once villain bluffs in this spot, would we be better off raising to have him fold away the good bit of equity he has or should we just call his stab? I think check raising lets us pick off a bluff while at the same time protecting us from overcards on the turn.”
I don’t think raising is a terrible idea, but it kind of turns your hand into a bluff in the sense that you don’t really need a 6 to do it. Either he folds and your hand doesn’t matter, or he calls and you are drawing pretty thin against whatever he does have. I’d rather raise with hands that aren’t good enough to call, so unless you are already check-raise bluffing all of your air and still looking to have a wider bluffing range (which could possibly be correct), I don’t think this hand needs to be thrown in there.
rutramax
Very interesting videos, it oppens our mind about why we do stuff post flop. Thanks Andrew
folding_aces_pre_yo
great video 🙂
regarding the A9s hand , if the river was lets say a club , i’m going to assume here should be more inclined to C/C, although we think it’s unlikely that v has a draws in their range, would that be a good spot to bluff catch? I feel that if hero bet’s on the river most hands will fold….
the 2ed option could be turning our hand into a bluff if the river was a club?
I think the 1st option would be better imo…thoughts andrew?
folding_aces_pre_yo
sorry just ignore the above , if we know v has no air in their range then there’s no reason to bluff catch.
thank you andrew once again.
folding_aces_pre_yo
I have a question regarding the last hand which is the AK hand, we discounted that v has no monsters in their range and although our hand does have showdown value , can we ever turn our hand into a bluff if v checks to hero on the river? or do u feel that checking back is prolly the best play?
you said in previous video’s that better players tend to turn their hands into bluffs with hands that have showdown value so i was just wondering if that this can be the case here?
cheers.
bothorsen
Hi Andrew,
I have one question about the A9 hand after ~15 minutes. If I see you value bet that hand twice against me, I would immediately modify my playing style against you and slowplay more because I would assume you will value own yourself against me. And that includes checking a flush here once, calling turn and raising river. Now, that immediately leads to the idea that this is the way to exploit your playing style – because it’s much easier to have air for this than a value range, so the river raise will quickly get suspicious. And then the leveling between us can really start 🙂
But actually the question is how exactly you respond to people who do slowplay or do very thin value betting. You mentioned in the first video that you will modify the style, but I haven’t seen anything about what you mean with this in those videos. I haven’t seen the last one yet, though, so maybe I’m just getting ahead of myself.
It’s just that whenever someone comes up with a simple algorithm for playing poker, there’s usually a pretty simple counter algorithm to mess it up.
Thanks for a great video,
Bo Thorsen,
Calm Viking.
MCWelsh
So far I put this series at the top of my list for quality of actionable information. Of course I am not really surprised after hearing Carlos and Nate saying how good it is over and over elsewhere.