17 Responses to “TPE Theory: Floating”

  1. Metasploit

    Good video but I kind of wish with that bigdog had used his own hands just because he probably would have been able to add a little more insight.

    Love the recap and the end of the video but perhaps it should have been mentioned at the beginning also.

    keep up the great work.

    p.s – This video seemed a little short also. Perhaps 15-20 hands would have driven the points home a little more. Not bitching or complaining guys just my 2 cents.

    cheers

  4. kyskyles

    correct me if im wrong but doesnt a float imply the calling without a viable draw or hand that is likely to be best? tell me how calling with an open ender could be considered a float?

  5. kyskyles

    if you never believe the lead out than what about the times when people lead into you with a set? cause it seems like that happens all the time. any advice on differentiating between a weak hand and a monster when a strong player leads into you?

  6. bigdogpckt5s

    Ok Timbey Sauce just means like I think he has air. As for kyskyles. If you call with an open ender its still concidered floating even if your floating with outs. As for the 2nd coment I am saying if im the pre flop raiser and then they lead out I never believe it. Usually people wont lead when there is a pre flop raiser and they hit a set because there is way more value in them letting me lead.

  7. McLucky

    I gotta agree with kyskyles bigdog. In my experience most good players will lead their flopped sets and there are many reasons for this – deception being one but mostly to try to ensure they get stacks in by the river so they get full value from their hands. Do you believe that your lines vs flop donk bets are exploitable if as you say you ‘never’ believe?

  8. bigdogpckt5s

    Ok guys maybe im not making this clear and thats my bad. Its not the I never believe the lead out. But 99 percent of the time when I am the pre flop aggressor. And thats the key. I am the pre flop raiser. 99 percent of the time in my experience if my opponet were to flop a set they would check raise me. They would not lead out. They no I am going to c-bet the vast majority of time since I raised pre. Therefore the best line for them is to check raise as apposed to just leading out.

  10. lespaulgman

    The lead thought has been a really interesting augment to playing. Not folding to it and pushing back hard on them is actually a highly profitable play. I have managed to collect a few guys who have thought I was full of it and chipped up nicely.

  11. FkCoolers

    The donk lead sucks against someone like bigdog because if you donk and he raises, then you re-raise or flat it throws up red flags and doubt you’re getting more chips from him unless coolered him in which case it was getting in the middle anyway.

    But bigdog is aggro enough to two barrel and three barrel so you can get more chips by attempting to spring a trap that way. It becomes a leveling game. He knows that you know he’s very aggressive etc. etc.

    And it should throw up red flags. It’s like people who get overly cute with AA and deviate from their normal style with these limp min-reraises and stuff. I mean what else can it be?

  12. xtremeungar

    I agree with Fkcoolers …..I also thought the hand with the open ended straight draw was no float either… I thought floating was pure air…to take it away on following streets depending on your opponents actions… I liked the KQo hand blind vs blind… but I disliked the A4o hand… given stack sizes I woulda folded pre… but if called… I woulda folded flop…. just because stacks and size of the pot… great vid bigdog… thanks a lot… u guys rock

  13. xtremeungar

    Liked the A7s hand …the shoving choice given by the big dog I love it!… given stacks and pot size with that board texture…

  15. brentd22

    Feel like the donk bet on dry boards is weaker than the donk bet on wet boards. The wet board donk looks like top pair+ not wanting to give free cards if villan checks back.

  16. rawphil

    Hey bigdog, really nice video and great analysis!
    I had to disagree with you in the KJss hand… just my opinion, but i think shoving in that spot after villain floats twice isn’t as bad as it seems (or as u put it). Looking at villain’s range, when he floats that flop it could be everything, so it’s fine to 2 barrel on the turn especially on a Q, as you pointed out. But when he floats the turn, what can we put him on?
    I think any set would just put it all in here because of the flush+straight draw on board and because of the stack sizes. J9 for a straight raises (probably all in) at least 50% of the time on the turn.
    When a blank lands on the river i think shoving is fine because villain is representing something like JJ, 99, KQ or maybe AT with the ace of hearts most of the time.The only strong hand he could really float the turn with is the nut flush imo. So when a blank river falls i think it is fine to just shove and put him to the test, also because in a spot like this it’s always better to empty the clip and hope villain doesn’t have AXhh or a turned straight.
    Anyway, just an opinion.
    Keep it up!!

  17. Polarized

    This is such an important concept…could you guys please redo this video…this is very poorly planned and a waste of time.

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